Secord/Guzzardi Endorsement
Here's space for endorsement talk -- this wasn't some sort of glaring omission based in who I'm supporting (haven't decided yet) -- was just busy over the last couple of days.
posted by Sara De la Guerra | 5/21/2006 03:00:00 PM
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The way to get Dan Secord to win is to have the weakest of the three others in the November general election. That would be Guzzardi. Thus, the editorial writer wants either of them to get votes now.
Endorsing two candidates at the same time is rather lame and pathetic. Sort of like how the local geniuses at Sierra Club endorsed both Williams and Wolf, because they are too lame to make a tough choice.
The neighborhood association in Janet Wolf's neighborhood has just recently endorsed Guzzardi.
See the following sites for endorsements:
(Guzzardi does not seem to list endorsements on his site)
For Secord: http://www.dansecord.com/endorse/
For Williams: http://www.daswilliamsforsupervisor.com/Endorsements.php
For Wolf: http://www.janetwolf2006.com/endorsements.shtml
Busy huh. Not busy enough to write a very large post about how much you think Travis has an agenda against women.
Saying Travis is against woman is like saying Travis is against Latinos. Hatemongering, Sara, pure and simple. It really has no place in public discourse and should be dropped. Ask Pedro, Brian, Das, Jim Armstrong, Brooks (on oaks), Cheney, Bush and the rest of the men if this bias is really true. Remember, again, that Travis doesn't seem to have anything against McCaw. In fact, they ARE the editorial board. He wouldn't write anything she didn't approve. It seems like the paper has more of thing against politicians than against one gender or the other. And many of our local politicians are woman. It's called equal opportunity, Sara (if you're really a woman). Let's move on.
Mike Pinto says...
The hidden corporate hand appears again. This time it taps Joey G. as thier new boy. Joe Guzz is a joke. He is the harold stassen of santa barbara politics. Das never felt he would get the endorsment but what does it say about the NP to stoop so low as to endorse joe the dispatcher?
805 -- I'm not clear how much McCaw has a say in the daily editorials -- unless they have to do with animal rights. You mention several men that have not gotten the same kind of mean tone and approach that Marty, Susan and the like have had to withstand. Compare today's editorial to the one with Brian for instance -- there's a different feel to them. Pedro probably has gotten the worst of it among the men but this does not even compare to Marty and Susan, no?
Mike Pinto is steadfast in his support of a candidate who has made false statements regarding his race in order to garner votes for elected office.
Hey Mike, how do you expect anyone to belive anything you say about Das or any other candidate for that matter?
Maybe 'cause no one compares to the way Marty and Susan have treated the electorate.
News flash: People don't like politicians who, once in office, act like kings and/or queens.
Take a look at today's (Sunday's) editorial pieces by each of the candidates. Maybe you'll see why the NP chose Guzzardi and Secord.
As always, Guzzardi pledges to listen to and represent the voters. There he goes again: consistent and sincere. He understands the necessity of true collaboration. (BTW, that's collaboration with other supervisors, not big developers).
Williams puts emphasis on representing, but also says he's ready to fight the other supervisors "tooth and nail," as if that attitude could ever accomplish anything but heated stand-offs and lost 3-2 battles because of the spite. (is he banking on a Firestone recall?)
Wolf talks about sticking to her values, but never once mentions representing the constituents. She's got workforce housing, More Mesa and Gaviota all over her glossy brochures, but says ZIPPO about protecting Goleta Valley from overdevelopement. Nothing about saving ag land. Nothing about parks in Goleta Valley (there are none between Las Positas and Goleta Beach.) Shame on her.
Secord just talks cool and underscores his experience. No mention of representation, though.
Hey Bill--- how about people who act like Kings and Queens but are NOT politicians: eg: Gary Earle; Joe Guzzardi; Travis Armstrong
Joe is a member of a neighborhood association that voted against him when he tried for the board. and he falsely lists himself as the Vice President of Allied Neighborhoods when no such position currently exists. He has been notified that he is not really the V.P. but persists in using Allied for political gain.
Gary Earle has worked hard to save ag land and open space in Goleta Valley. He is a hard working citizen who puts in hours of his own time to benefit all the neighbors in Goleta Valley. He has done to more bridge the gap with North County supervisors than our paid representative, Susan Rose.
Travis Armstrong is a smart man who has paid attention to what's going on behind the scenes. As the editorial editor, he has given the people an avenue to voice their opinions regarding our local reps. He has made statements and presented facts to keep these reps in check.
Joe Guzzardi has been working to keep Santa Barbara's charm and livability for years. With the political machine at work, we are forutnate to have him in the running for sup. As supervisor, he would finally bring representation to the people of 2nd district who chose to live here for the quality and character of the place.
Any of you that do not recognize these guys as heroes, modern-day Pearl-Chase-types, PLEASE move somewhere else, or at least stop advocating/supporting big development on our beloved South Coast!!!
Yes, anyone who does not agree with you should move! It's comments and attitudes like this that make our beautiful county seem ugly.
This is the same idea that "neighborhood preservation" is purely aesthetic, and has nothing to do with actually being neighborly. This town has changed and not for the better.
OK Pearl Chase is now turning over in her grave.
Travis and Joe are NO Pearl Chase-s
Gary doesn't even deserve to be in the same sentence with her.
The tone I get from Secord in his ads is that he's a uniter, not a divider. I've heard that one before, and not just from the President. Secord's background and leanings make me think of Brooks Firestone when he ran for supervisor. Pretend you're in the middle, then take a right turn after the election.
The seemingly dead issue of the county split should be revived. The reason that most editorials and politicians cite for not splitting is the financial burden on the North County. What should drive the decision is not finances, but philosophy. We have two different mindsets and two visions here: development vs. slow growth. What differences could be more fundamental? Let Mission County fulfill its manifest destiny and build out what it wants--and then its citizens can live there in their own creation.
No, I said move OR stop supporting big development. And I said "PLEASE"--put it in caps, so you wouldn't miss it.
But, here's the problem. Some people don't listen to the whole message. You pull out the part where I said "move", and connect that to ugliness and selfishness.
But I will restate my message, hoping you can understand. If you don't like Santa Barbara, then please stop trying to change it. I wish you all the luck in finding the place suits you. Agriculture, open space, mountain views and free-flowing streets in my neighborhood suit me just fine.
Any comments on how in the last two sunday voices sections, travis has given all four candidates lots of space to write????
This town has changed and not for the better.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Maybe you should move. Oh, and can I have your home?
Were it not for Gary Earle, the San Marcos farms would be filled with about 400 super-duper-pooper necessary condos (80% market rate) and we would all be sitting at the Turnpike/Hollister intersection, in traffic. Towbes would be receiving another "exemplary citizen" award for generously giving $10,000 of the hard earned $200 million he pocketed from the development to some high profile non-threatening charity.
None of the Supe candidates, except Joe, are willing to slow down the pace of growth and protect open space. To the anti-Joe crowd, please explain to me, with some detail, how Janet, Das or Dan are more Chase-like.
If you can give me concrete reasons (not rhetoric) why the other three will better protect the South Coast, I will shift my support.
anon 9:18
sorry, I don't have a home. Can't afford one.
The statement by 9:40 AM illustrates why Gary Earle, CSP and Joe have lost credibility with people like me who would otherwise be inclined to stand strong with them. 9:40 wrote "Were it not for Gary Earle, the San Marcos farms would be filled with about 400 super-duper-pooper necessary condos (80% market rate)"
The problem with Earle and CSP is that they repeat the same untruths over and over again, even when they must know they are untrue.
The attempts to rezone some land for housing would not necessarily result in thousands of market rate units, nor would they all be clustered in the same place.
As we all know, rezoning some of the land for higher density than agriculture, does NOT necessarily mean that it would be high density. The condos near Hollister are higher density than the ag that preceded them but they are NOT high density as in 40 to an acre.
In addition, many, many of us are ready to fight against impacts. The EIR that must be done and the political process must be used to ensure that even if land is available, nothing should be built on in that creates impacts we can't live with.
The process is that you need to designate some sites for rezoning to residential so that an EIR can be done. If the EIR doesn't support the traffic, then the project should not proceed.
And it is also true that we can do better than only 20% affordable, but not relying solely on inclusionary zoning, but also leveraging other funding available for affordable housing.
But Gary Earle and company keep repeating the same untruths - that the county wanted to rezone 62 acres in the 2nd District alone (it's 62 acres county wide) or that once ag lands are rezoned the process is over and automatically hundreds of high density units will be built without any public input on the impacts.
If threats, distortions, and misinformation were not CSP's modus operendi, I and many others would join hands with them and we might even have elected Guzzardi.
I for one am happy we have a muckraking journalist like travis armstrong. You all know if Elton was giving federal campaign funds to support Dr. Dan, you guys wuld be up in arms. FACT-Strong has cut through Das's lines and Capps's furtiveness. Yes, he's the most feared journalist in Santa Barbara history but also the most influential.
I see how the other media even are trying to make a name for themselves off of him. They need him or they'd be nothing.
He has changed the debate in the community and for the better. See how he writes compared to the Indy's columnist who calls names and is 3rd gradish.
Thank you Travis Armstrong
to Anonymous 2:31 pm:
Fear Travis Armstrong? The only thing I'm afraid of is that someday he'll endorse a candidate I like. That will be the kiss of death.
What exactly is furtive about Lois Capps running a message, clearly stating that it was paid for by her campaign, that endorses another candidate? You may not like her choice, but there nothing furtive about it.
If you want some furtiveness, try your hero, Mr. Armstrong, who trashes people with half-truths, innuendo, and evidently your favorite journalistic tactic, muckracking.
In fact, he's been so excited about muckraking the affordable housing issue for the past few weeks that it took a letter to the editor in today's paper from the Director of SB's Housing Authority to clarify which housing program he was talking about. Yes, it's good that he brought the issue to the public, but in his eagerness to rake some muck, he neglected put the story in the proper context.
Referring to 1:31pm posting--
Sorry that you've lost faith in Goleta Valley activists. I appreciate the considerate tone of your post. But you bring up a lot of issues and some of your points aren't made with the bigger picture in mind. Here are some facts:
--CSP is made up of residents who put in countless hours without the pay nor the resources of the paid county staff. We do our best to gather accurate information and connect the dots. We understand that there is no point in spreading false information. Mistakes have probably been made, but overall, I am impressed with my neighbor's ability and willingness to read county reports and agendas in order to stay on top of what is happening behind the scenes and what is coming down the pipe.
-- San Marcos Growers is approximately 33 acres, and if that were developed at the 20 units per acre that the mandate calls for, the math comes to 660 units. That does not county bonus density....(are you bored or confused yet?...this kind of thing is just the teensy tip of the iceberg of what you'll need to learn to keep up with the county) So, 9:40 was not exaggerating at all since 400 is quite well below 660+.
-- The new building at Modoc and Hollister is approximately 16 units per acre and it looks like high-density to me. It takes the entire parcel, is three stories high and has no greenspace, unless you count flower beds and terracotta pots. So, 20 units is quite a bit denser. 20 units with bonus density is even denser than that (22 or 26...I'm not sure, and don't want to get lamblasted for being off a bit). The concept of building 40 units per acre is absolutely ludicrous; I don't even want to do the math to calculate what a mess that would be.
-- I don't think CSP represents that all 62 acres would go in the 2nd district -- but please be aware that the County Supervisors have NEVER said that all 62 acres would NOT be assigned to 2nd district, so it is, in fact, still a possibility. (And we will have another Housing Element mandate coming in 2008!) However, there is a list of "possible sites" from the 2nd district that the county gave out in May 2004. It lists hundreds of acres to be considered. Of course, that does not mean that all of those sites will be chosen, but again, the decision is out of our hands. Only our supervisor can influence limiting the number of acres that come from the 2nd.
-- Other county supervisors have shown support for the Goleta Valley residents and a willingness to vote for a moratorium, but Supervisor Rose won't support it. We don't know what sites she will ultimately offer up towards the 62 acres. She has left us in the dark, again, and that is why there is so much mistrust.
-- My understanding is that after a parcel undergoes EIR under the mandate, it can be rezoned without considering further public input. The public loses its chance to have any more say on the matter of rezoning.
I contend that CSP is on the right track, and working for free in the best interests of Goleta Valley and the South Coast as a whole.
2:31 p.m. is right--Armstrong is the most influential journalist in memory. Just one example: He's been writing about housing fraud for how long--two years? Anyone else home? Among other media trying to ride his coattails is this blog.
the SB Housing Authority letter is referring to the news story in the newspress
7:02pm anon,
You keep relying on the word "could".
please be aware that with or without state mandates the BOS can rezone any parcel for any reason to whatever zoning or density it wants.
If San Marcos, Tatum, MTD or any other property gets rezoned to a different land use designation it still has to go to the Planning Commission, Board of Supervisors and possibly the Coastal Commission before anything gets approved. Just because San Marcos "could" be rezoned at 20 units per acre doesn't mean anyone in their RIGHT MIND would ever actually go along with that idea.
So perhaps this is what some canidates mean when they talk about clearing the air of misinformation and fear....
8:39--
You are in the wrong, plain and simple. San Marcos Farms was one of the premium spots being considered for rezoning until neighbors got involved. We hope that people in their right minds will not rezone, but there is no guarantee, and if it were to happen, there would be no going back. There is still no protection in place for this parcel. WAKE UP and put a lid on the lies!
Please stop bad-mouthing the hard work that the neighborhood activists have been doing.
Your 8:39 accusation that these people are fearmongers is completely false and insulting. It's a very sad state in Santa Barbara when people bad-mouth the residents for protecting open space.
Dear 8:39pm anon: The State Housing Mandate for the current period (2003-2008) REQUIRES a minimum of 20 units per acre for rezones related to the Housing Element. 20 units per acre MINIMUM...no if's, and's or but's.
San Marcos Growers and the MTD ag property (two targeted areas) would be a MINIMUM of 20 units per acre.
Holy cow!...Where have you BEEN during this discussion?!
Bill,
All you know about zoning you learned from Joe Guzzardi.
Land can be rezoned anytime by the Board, not just if and when the state tells us too.
If there were enough land zoned to meet the RHNA there would be no State Mandated rezoning.
Repeat after me: LAND REZONING DOES NOT CREATE HOUSING. APPROVING PROJECTS DOES.
Question: How many parcels have been rezoned in the 2nd District since Jeanne Graffy was knocked out of office?
"We hope that people in their right minds will not rezone, but there is no guarantee, and if it were to happen, there would be no going back."
Now you are substituting "could" for "if".
So you are saying that the BOS can't downzone property to ag? Once a piece of open space is paved over it is lost forever. But a piece of open space that is rezoned is still a piece of open space. Only approved projects lead to development.
There are no guarantees in life. You have to rely on your elected leaders to hold the line against development. Susan Rose has resisted development at More Mesa and has a record of not rezoning in the 2nd District.
Note to 8:39 mudslinging: "could" means something is possible. 7:02 is right on with the facts. And slow-growth Guzz is our best hope.
11:04--
You persist, so have to say it, "Duh."
Of course, the BOS can rezone anytime without the mandate. That is not the point. Currently, the mandate is giving them a MANDATORY reason to do so. That's why it's called a MANDATE. EIR under the Housing Element mandate is a free ticket to rezone without public input. Rezoning for development is a precursor to development.
I wonder if you even live in the 2nd district unincorporated area. Most people who are as so fired up about forcing rezones near my neighborhood don't live in it.
Joe Guzzardi is the best choice to represent all of 2nd district, and he understands the planning issues best.
11:16pm said:
There are no guarantees in life. You have to rely on your elected leaders to hold the line against development. Susan Rose has resisted development at More Mesa and has a record of not rezoning in the 2nd District.
Exactly. That's why we need Joe Guzzardi in there.
Supe Rose has indicated that she has a list of sites that she will submit for EIR (remember HE/EIR=can rezone without public input). She is not disclosing those sites until the deal is done, even though the visioning committee requested a moratorium. More Mesa is in Hope Ranch's backyard, thank God for that, or it would be on the chopping block like the rest of unincorprated Goleta Valley/Santa Barbara West. The rezones will happen in 2007. Supe Rose will have a way to play innocent even though she is lining up the deal.
It doesn't really matter at this point but where has Pedro Nava been? You would have thought that he would been in there pitching for Das but nooooooo. E tu Pedro?
There are no guarantees in life. You have to rely on your elected leaders to hold the line against development.
And the best way to do that is to make that certain land parcels do not head down the path of high-density development. Rezoning is a stepping stone down that path, and you know that.
Susan Rose has resisted development at More Mesa and has a record of not rezoning in the 2nd District.
Whatever. More Mesa is protected by the financial might of Hope Ranch, not Susan Rose. Just watch when the developer threatens to develop and the town needs to raise the money to do a land swap. Watch where the money comes from ... Hope Ranch (aka Little Montecito). They need that land to ride their horses. Saying your protecting More Mesa is like saying your protecting Yosemite. It requires little effort. Susan Rose has a record of being a pile of uselessness and misdirection.
But a piece of open space that is rezoned is still a piece of open space. Only approved projects lead to development.
This reminds me of the logic when the Emperor was talking to Anakin Skywalker about the dark side.
what is so hilarious about the Guzzardi team is this pathetic belief that somehow on his own Guzzardi will---with one vote???---insulate one little portion of the second district from any impacts......WTF are they thinking??????
Mike Pinto says..
Travis is a media hit person for the corporate elite. His sole job is to smear Das and his progressive agenda. I for one have canceled my sub. to the NP. Their reporting is about as fair and balanced as Fox News. There is no place in a progressive dialogue for the NP. I say it is time for a progressive, countywide boycott of the NP. Direct action is needed! Buy a NP and clean the newsrack out and dump them. Say no to the hidden hand of corporate power brokers. Say no to Travis and his lies! The endorsement means nothing. Joe will lose. Janet will lose. Das will be the peoples choice! Direct action is a beautiful thing!
what is so hilarious about the Guzzardi team is this pathetic belief that somehow on his own Guzzardi will---with one vote???
What is so hilarious about the anti-Guzzardi team is this pathetic belief that somehow no representation is better than some.
---insulate one little portion of the second district from any impacts......WTF are they thinking??????
One little portion? Try the whole 2nd district and beyond. That's what they are thinking about. The impacts on the entire area from traffic congestion from the results of high-density overdevelopment. MTD, Tatum, More Mesa, San Marcos Farms, parts of Goleta, all of it. That's what the Guzzardi people have been thinking about.
WTF are you thinking about?
I say it is time for a progressive, countywide boycott of the NP. Direct action is needed! Buy a NP and clean the newsrack out and dump them.
That would be great! Even better would be that you tell everyone the times and locations of when you will be doing this so that we can invite the media and the cops. That way, everyone can see what a dufus you are.
The endorsement means nothing. Joe will lose. Janet will lose. Das will be the peoples choice! Direct action is a beautiful thing!
This us what you'll be saying as they put the straightjacket on you.
It's scary when people disagree with opinion so much they advocate illegal actions such as theft. Das williams must disavow his campaign worker's comments.
I'd take the News-Press endorsement. It put Brooks over the top in the primary. Salud partly won because of it. It saved Falcone. Jean Blois raked in votes because of it. Armendariz wonly won because of it. Bob Pohl nearly took the county because of it. I like that the Newspress takes chances in city council elections and will go for write in or canddiates with no money. It's being progressive, backing the little guy. And ask Capps herself how she asked for the NP and got it two races ago. We should all celebrate local ownership that goes for individual candidates rather than pick safe ones - a la the Indy - to look like they hve power. My question is, is why if the newspress is nothing is there a whole blog (this one) devoted to it and their editorial writer, who has done more for the Santa Barbara people than any politican today. This blog and these posts just make him more of a celeb!!!!!
If it is Janet Wolf and Dan Secord in November, the 2d District wins.
On More Mesa Das and friends may have created a huge mess. Earl Holding the owner on More Mesa can buy and sell most of Hope Ranch - he forgets he owns More Mesa some times but now with this reminder he is worried and angry - maybe enough to develop it or sue - he will and has done both - this is a wealthy guy with no debt in his 80s willing to knock some heads.
Instead of leaving well enough alone Das may be the one who woke a sleeping giant who will then come and develop it.
By the way those who live on the land adjacent are the problems for supporting developers - Holding has left his land vaccant and he is the problem? Duh
If it is Joe Guzzardi and Dan Secord in November, the 2nd District wins.
DAS WILL NEVER DISAVOW CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE AS A MEANS OF FIGHTING POWER. THE SANTA BARBARA PROLETERIAT WILL REVOLT, BY WHATEVER MEANS ARE REQUIRED. YOU CANNOT STOP THE PROGRESSIVE OVERTHROW OF THE CORRUPT POWER STRUCTURE. DAS IS MERELY A SMALL PIECE. WE START FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEN TAKE THE CITIES, THEN TAKE THE COUNTIES, THEN TAKE THE STATES, THEN JOIN OUR COMPANEROS IN BOLIVIA AND VENEZUELA AND TURN THIS UGLY CAPITALIST BEAST ON ITS HEAD. (AND YOU THOUGHT IT WAS JUST STEALING NEWSPAPERS)
following up on 6:42pm :
...and show them what they've won! A new car!? Lots of cars! Cars and cars and loads of cars!!! Not just on the freeway anymore, but on ALL the streets. They don't call it the "transportation horridor" for nothing! Traffic, baby -- oh, yeah! But wait there's more...you won't have to go to Five Points to play parking-space-roulette anymore! That game will be available everywhere on upper State Street.
But wait, that's not all...
more houses = more people = more need for critical and not-so-critical(?) workers = more people who can't afford to live here = more need for a solution = developers offering more "help" by building = more houses = more people = more need for critical .... TILT!
Meanwhile, developer Towbes will be laughing all the way to the bank. Wait, he OWNS the bank!
*****
I'm voting for slow-growth Guzz.
Is Pedro Nava a Latino? I am so confused these days.
Pedro who?
DAS WILL NEVER DISAVOW CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE AS A MEANS OF FIGHTING POWER. THE SANTA BARBARA PROLETERIAT WILL REVOLT, BY WHATEVER MEANS ARE REQUIRED. YOU CANNOT STOP THE PROGRESSIVE OVERTHROW OF THE CORRUPT POWER STRUCTURE. DAS IS MERELY A SMALL PIECE. WE START FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEN TAKE THE CITIES, THEN TAKE THE COUNTIES, THEN TAKE THE STATES, THEN JOIN OUR COMPANEROS IN BOLIVIA AND VENEZUELA AND TURN THIS UGLY CAPITALIST BEAST ON ITS HEAD. (AND YOU THOUGHT IT WAS JUST STEALING NEWSPAPERS)
Whoa! Whoa! I knew Vladimir Lenin was still alive. So, Lenin, how do you feel about the other 2nd district issues? Should Turnpike Vons be turned into a Bolshevik museum.
Oh, and please reply in ALL-CAPS, otherwise I can't hear you.
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Mike Pinto says...
Does Secord have to pay for the interview that Travis just did? Travis is such a tool. Only Das is asked the tough questions.
Travis: Dan, are you great or what?
Secord: Yes, Yes I am.
Travis: Doesnt Das Suck.
Secord: Yes, Yes he does.
Travis: Youre great. Thanks for coming on today.
Tool.
Das is done. Janet is sliding and hiding from her being a Rose clone. Joe is rising, but not sure he can do it.
Joe or Dan........what a nightmare.
Hey, thanks Das for "helping".....with the fragmentation, divisiveness, dispersed financial and human resources among the left
Mike Pinto says..
Direct action is all that we, the masses have left. Only with direct action will we be heard. Buy one NP dump ten. Thats how I will be spending my weekend!
Pinto: Direct action is all that we, the masses have left. Only with direct action will we be heard. Buy one NP dump ten. Thats how I will be spending my weekend!
We all promise to visit you in jail during visiting hours.
Pinto---Secord is not paying you enough, dude...you're priceless!
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