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Saturday, June 09, 2007

Community Post: Carbajal Warms Up to News-Press?

This from a citizen stringer -- apparently, the emails below have been making their way around the circuit. Too bad Salud didn't illucidate a little further about what the meeting was about -- inquiring constituents want to know.
-- Sara
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In early May, First District Salud Carbajal was seen driving the News-Press editorialist Travis Armstrong to a private lunch meeting at Ca'Dario Restaurant, a nice Italian place where Nipper's notes that the average lunch costs $35.

One wonders why would Salud do that. Where or when does a leading locally elected official decide that the News-Press still is or is not a legitimate publication worthy of respect and business as usual? Is Poison-Pen Armstrong still anybody to care about, especially by someone apparently so solid in his office as Salud?

Carbajal's constituents have noticed and asked him nicely about his lunch meeting with Travis Armstrong. The text below is that email exchange, with Carbajal apparently writing that any concern about his meeting Armstrong is "dumb." Such email messages from County officials are public records.

Is this issue dumb or is it dumb to question a County Supervisor about such a lunch discussion, especially with that dining partner?
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Message to Salud Carbajal:
From:
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:38:07
To:Subject: Lunch with Travis

Salud:
As a friend and supporter, I think you should know that the local "rumor
mill" is buzzing about an alleged "secret meeting" between you and Travis
Armstrong a week or so ago. Unfortunately, among our friends, it is hard to
imagine a more heinous rendezvous, or one that would lead to more convoluted
conjecture.

So many of us have made so many difficult choices in order to
"de-legitimize" our beloved local newspaper, it is distressing to hear that
their number one stooge has even been given an audience by one of our number
one spokespeople. Given all of the speculation about your political
ambitions, and the tendency of some of our opponents to circulate bad
information, it is certainly possible that this is just a fabrication being
inadvertently spread by bad gossip. But as one, like you, who wants to
have friends on all sides of the political spectrum – especially those who
buy ink by the barrel -- I also can imagine that such a meeting did, indeed,
take place.

So what is the real story? And what was the result? I'd appreciate your
reply. Thanks.
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Message from Salud Carbajal:
From: Supervisor Salud Carbajal [mailto:supervisorcarbajal@sbcbos1.org]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 2:39 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Lunch with Travis

How dumb. He and I met a few weeks ago. No secret about it. Rumors are
rumors. Share this with whom ever you would like. By the way it was a
lunch meeting at Cadario Restaurant.
Salud
Salud Carbajal
First District Supervisor
County of Santa Barbara
(805)568-2186

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70 Comments:

Anonymous max height said...

Isn't it possible Salud was sharing his concerns about the NP with Travis? Why is it assumed Salud is in cahoots with Travis? This whole thing smacks of gossip -- no need to make mountains out of molehills.

6/09/2007 5:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many glasses of wine did the nipper have, to spend $35 for lunch at Ca'Dario?

6/09/2007 6:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, Salud, you dont' have my vote any more. Buon Appetito.

6/09/2007 6:35 AM  
Anonymous Don Jose de la Guerra y Noriega said...

"Shunning" was an old Puritan punishment Sara. Do you think it's appropriate? Next, we will be wanting to put Travis in stocks and have little kids throw pebbles at him.

I just want Wendy to fire him for incompetence. Why on earth does she just let this go on and on?

Travis must go.

6/09/2007 6:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me get this straight, everyone rails and gnashes their teeth that the News Press management won't communicate with concerned citizens. When someone does meet with one of them hysteria and paranoia rule. Why isn't everyone shunning Harriet Miller for having a radio show on the News Press station? Why target Carbajal?

6/09/2007 7:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can have an excellent lunch at Ca Dario for $10 - just have their large appetizer antipasto plate with their wonderful bread. Benessimo.

6/09/2007 7:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While often a petty jerk, Travis has been hitting many editorials right on lately when he can get past his personal attack mode and actually deal with issues. He has been right on about thecounty housing farce and growth issues.

If the NP would only stick to substance and true independent investigation and comment on civic matters, they could/would rehabilitate this tattered and declining newspaper.

It is and always will be appropriate for a publicly elected official to meet with a still major home delivery local newspaper representative, no matter how heinous some of the newspapers actions continue to be.

Salute Salud for saying it was dumb to call this a "secret" meeting. Spreading rumors of shock about this is what is dumb. And as equally petulant and pouty as Travis can be.

6/09/2007 7:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The News-Press is no longer the voice of the community. It is only the voice of Travis and McCaw.

Salud can meet with Armstrong all he wants, but whether anyone cares what is written is the true test of whether or not it matters.

CANCEL YOUR SUBSCRIPTION. TELL ADVERTISERS THEY SHOULD PLACE THEIR AD BUDGETS ELSEWHERE.

6/09/2007 8:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait a minute--- how is it OK for Marty Blum to send out a public letter to Travis last week, reiterating her claim that she would go on his radio show if asked--- yet it's somehow a mortal sin for another elected official to have lunch with the man?!?!?!?

This is getting ridiculous. Some people in this town need to get a life.

6/09/2007 8:27 AM  
Anonymous Who Cares? said...

Good Grief! Get a LIfe!

If Salud or anyone wants to meet and eat with Travis, who cares? How can we expect progress or communication if no one speaks to one another?

I've been skewered by TKA but I'd sit down and talk with him. People do have the capacity to change or to understand different points of view.

Getting bent out of shape that Travis and Salud had lunch together is bizarre. I've been an adamant opponent to how the SBNP has treated reportes and the community, but on this case- who cares?

6/09/2007 8:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This seems to mean that Salud has no boundary for his ethics or credibility. Why does he help the Newsmess in any way?

Playing nice with the Newsmess editors only insults everyone who has been their victims.

Salud is the one who needs to be shunned.

6/09/2007 9:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So much for "Operation Cold Shoulder"--a local drive by the powers-that-be not to meet or be quoted in the NP. How quickly Salud has forgotten that alliance, along with his former old pal Susan Rose, his city colleague, Brian Barnwell, and his constituents at the Montecito Association, all of whom Travis has nailed repeatedly.

Just out of respect for them, Salud should be shunning Armstrong. In his haste for a dumb lunch has he forgotten all the other tattered bodies strewn around this town by the NP team?

Salud has dodged Armstrong’s arrows and now we know why--Armstrong likes being fed lunch Italian style. Cagey politicians court the press and Salud leads the pack when it comes to cagey. His luncheon choice proves the color of his stripes---lily liver yellow!

6/09/2007 9:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Salud Carbajal, the poster boy for toadyism and stealthy back-stabbing, has been crowing for ages about how the News-Press "likes" him. He's obviously trying to stay on the newspaper's good side, making the same mistake as many other unethical politicians in not realizing that the paper has no good side.

6/09/2007 9:44 AM  
Anonymous Harping said...

Forget about it. What bothers me most, Sara, is that you invented a brilliant neologism--"illucidate"--& no one else has commented on it. The word appears to be a clever hybrid of "illusion" and "elucidate" and could mean "clarification of an illusion," which seems to be perfectly apropos for this particular thread. ;-)

6/09/2007 9:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, don't you all know, Travis has 'cooties.' This post I think hurts this blog's credibility. Travis has done a LOT of damage to the NP. But to put a scarlet letter on Carbajal's chest for meeting with him? When part of the complaint about Travis, Wendy, Steepleton, et al, is they won't ... meet with people?

Again, Travis has done a LOT of damage with his vendettas, untruths about unions, etc. Problem is, as 7:51 notes, he's also capable of incisive takes on some issues. (Oh, if only everything was black and white!) And the fact that he's been very unfair to the mayor, to put it mildly, doesn't make the mayor a martyr. I hope that the illegally fired NP journalists, when they share a rally podium with the mayor and other local politicos, are a little uncomfortable with the implications of doing so.

6/09/2007 9:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The fact that Travis has come down out of the tower to speak to someone other than McCaw and Steepleton is a GOOD thing. It's called communication. Good for Salud.

The next positive step might be that the completely out-of-touch publishers will also talk to someone who is not afraid to tell them like it is...

6/09/2007 10:25 AM  
Anonymous Eckermann said...

Whether or not we like it, the News-Press remains the daily newspaper in widest circulation on the South Coast. Whether or not we like him, Travis Armstrong is the editorial page editor of that newspaper. In this Country, politicians have relationships with editorial page editors. Salud's relationship with Travis may be good or bad, time will tell. Travis also happens to be a human being whose worst crimes include drunk driving, mediocre writing, holding a grudge too long, poor management skills, and lousy judgment in choosing an employer, none of which crimes rates a complete shunning by the community. Notwithstanding my 100% support of the fired employees of the News-Press, if I felt that I would have any influence on Travis, I would not hesitate to invite him to lunch and try to talk some sense into him. If there is not redemption there can be only permanent rancor and conflict until one of the antagonists is utterly defeated. That my friends, is a very sad paradigm in which to live.

6/09/2007 10:58 AM  
Anonymous jqb said...

Framing it as a"secret meeting" and a "heinous rendezvous", talking about "distress" at the very thought of such a meeting, referring to "ambitions" ... such hostility directed at Carbajal was indeed very dumb if the goal was to find out the reason for the meeting. And as for anon 6:35am saying s/he won't vote for the sup anymore -- how very foolish.

6/09/2007 11:54 AM  
Anonymous badpolitics said...

What was Salud Carbajal thinking, having lunch with Travis Armstrong? I don't think for a minute that Salud discussed ways to improve the paper. Travis would never relay any criticism to Wendy without fear of being fired. Salud had to be seeking political endorsement as if he valued TKA's worthless opinion.

If Salud had been spotted with a Craig's List Santa Barbara hooker, even that would have elevated his stature among his constituents and the public in general, compared with his being seen associating with a liar (proven in a court of law) posing as an editorial writer for a discredited newspaper.

Well, they say politics make strange bedfellows, and Travis has to be one of the strangest!

6/09/2007 12:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yet another example of the personalization of every issue in Santa Barbara. The editorial director of the local paper and a County Supervisor lunch together in a public place and suddenly it's a secret meeting and a local scandal...Please. There are local sandals aplenty here in Paradise, they require a little more critical thinking than the endlessly fascinating bright and shiny attention-grabbers that preoccupy so many locals instead. Move on people.

6/09/2007 1:11 PM  
Blogger Sara De la Guerra said...

I hesitated in publishing this community post in that I share some of the sentiments listed above -- at the same time, Salud's response was inadequate and if he was meeting TKA for better relations and advocating change at the paper he should say so. I tend to want to give him the benefit of the doubt but his response to the email didn't give us a lot of reason to...yes, it may have been a good thing, but I'd like to hear more about that.

The other issue for me is that I won't always agree with community posts that others suggest but feel strongly that this is your blog too. If you have an opposing viewpoint to what the citizen stringer presented -- send me a post to publish and I will.

6/09/2007 1:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Salud met with Travis because he felt he was not getting enough ink in the paper. That simple.

6/09/2007 3:18 PM  
Anonymous city watcher said...

Thanks for the posting and the comments, pro and con. Seems to me that it is perfectly okay for Salud to meet with Armstrong or any representative of the News-Press ---- in his office, if it is official business, press releases and so forth. If, however, it is private business, friendship, that, too, is fine - and then Armstrong has an ethical obligation, imo, to report that he and Carbajal are friends in any story about him.

Anyone, of course, can meet with anyone, but public officials deserve and should expect extra scrutiny. Eckermann, for instance, is not a county supervisor (or maybe he is.) The point is that public officials are representatives of the public. Everything they do, at least in working hours for which we tax payers pay, is public business --- including lunch hours.

Given that there is no other daily press in SB except the blogs, it is right and good and very helpful that the blogs and the SBNewsroom publicize the private lunch get-together of the NP editor and the Supervisor representing part of Santa Barbara City.

If City Council members or the other south coast supervisor, Janet Wolf, were to have a public place lunch with Armstrong or McCaw, that, too, should be reported. Thanks, Sara.

6/09/2007 4:04 PM  
Anonymous Fomer Campaign Contributor said...

Salud always has been about short-term gain over long-term credibility.

And the PUEBLO group is honoring him at their annual awards party next month. They have been slammed by the News-Press too. Now, he is insulting PUEBLO, a group he is trying to dupe.

Salud obviously will do anything to keep on the good side of the now-blended news and opinion content of that now-meaningless newspaper that has done nothing but taint the news and destroy the careers of 40+ former writers and editors there.

Salud has lost my vote, but more important for him, he has lost my money too.

6/09/2007 4:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't recall seeing Salud even once at an pro-union rally where many other elected officials can be regularly found - barnwell, blum, capps.... I don't know if that is a reflection of his support/friendship of Travis but it sure doesn't win him any friends among newsroom employees trying to unionize and those community members supporting them.

6/09/2007 5:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The dismissive "How dumb." comment is somewhat shocking but perhaps the familiarity of the "friend and supporter" would explain the frankness. The communication is public record....so as an anonymous post here it seems odd to want to know who the friend is. It would be nice for Salud to respond. And should Salud respond, I would also like to know why didn't the pair take the bus?

6/09/2007 6:19 PM  
Anonymous boB said...

I posted a comment today (6/09/2007 4:12 PM) on the Wednesday, June 06, string re the Mayor and the SBNP Editorial Page Editor.

I don't feel it's appropriate to cc a comment on different strings, but it's relevant to this one so I thot I would mention that it's there.

I'm boB

6/09/2007 8:48 PM  
Blogger John Quimby said...

I have One question.

Can we get Salud a lunch with the President?

6/09/2007 8:52 PM  
Anonymous anon a rama said...

I don't think calling a lunch meeting in a public place a secret meeting flys.

I think it's nice someone/anyone wanted to go to lunch with Travis.

He sounds like he needs to get out more. A lot more.

He may not have responded the way one would like but Salud Carbajal did respond. More then we get from the NP.

6/09/2007 11:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Salud Carbajal is NO Naomi Schwartz! Dems, liberals, women, affordable housing advocates, close your wallets to Salud...let's find a new Supervisor for the 1st District who speaks and acts for us. Carbajal is a real let down!

6/09/2007 11:47 PM  
Anonymous Confounded said...

I'm wondering why the name/identity/email address of the person who sent this email to Salud was not posted, Sara, since as you assert these emails are public record? Would seem most fair to include the totality of information....could put things in perspective....unless, of course, shaming Salud was your underlying agenda

6/10/2007 9:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While many of us have chosen to cancel and shun the News-Press, we need to respect choices made by others to exercise their freedom of association.

That said, we should hold Salud accountable for his policy decisions as Supervisor. For example, we are looking for his leadership on supporting Mission Canyon neighbors whose safety is being threatened by the proposed expansion of the Botanic Garden. Doubling its size will exacerbate the already limited capacity to evacuate this high fire risk area.

Also we need to see how Salud weighs in on the North Hills proposal, a plan to plop a new city of 20,000-30,000 people on a parcel outside the urban limit line. Such a new city would have commercial zoning to accommodate at most 5,000 jobs, ensuring that the remaining residents would add to the growing commuting traffic throughout SB County. What is worse, this new city would be a drain on SB’s already stressed budget, as the cost of basic services outstrips property tax revenues capped by Prop. 13.

Let’s keep the focus on how Salud does his job…and spend less time commenting on his dining companions.

6/10/2007 9:41 AM  
Blogger Sara De la Guerra said...

Confounded -- much like Travis Armstrong sought the Mayor's emails as a matter of public record, these would be too.

I didn't write this piece as it is a "community post". It was submitted without the return emails...and with the public record comment. Perhaps the citizen stringer would respond for us.

6/10/2007 10:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have it on good information that it was indeed Salud who invited Travis to lunch. Apparently he sent an email to editorial page editor asking why he had not been mentioned in the newspaper for some time. Travis' reply email (which is floating around the internet) jokingly said something to the effect "are you still an elected official?"

6/10/2007 10:57 AM  
Anonymous County Watcher Wondering about Salud said...

What does Carbajal want from the News-Press? He already gets the puff and fluff treatment already!

Every article about him for the past few months has been a positive spin, whether about a neighborhood meeting to address gangs (published today) or a few weeks ago to stroke him about lobbying in Sacramento for a bill to exempt the County from the State-mandated housing rules (because so much of the county is unbuildable National Forest land).

Carbajal also had an opinion piece published in early May about watersheds environmental planning.

Is he looking for extra burnishing to compensate for him supporting the worst example of urban sprawl imaginable, the so-called North Hills city (five times bigger than Buellton) between Los Alamos and Orcutt, which will dominate the County agenda for the next few years?

More importantly, why does Carbajal think that cozying up to the News-Press helps him in any way? Opinion leaders and consistent voters and donors in the community are wise to the "mess" and flagrant injustice and ethically and morally bankrupt situation there. Carbajal should run away from that as he would disassociate himself with child pornographers and drunken drivers.

Salud is betting on the wrong horse and picking the wrong side here. He should be far smarter than that and usually is.

6/10/2007 12:02 PM  
Anonymous Pondwater said...

I cannot let the statement:

…Mission Canyon neighbors whose safety is being threatened by the proposed expansion of the Botanic Garden. Doubling its size will exacerbate the already limited capacity to evacuate this high fire risk area.

go by without challenging it. I am one who, living near the Botanic Garden, am all in favor of their plan, which has been pared down to the bare minimum, and is necessary for their long-stated mission. They have put into place many improvements which increase the fire safety in the area. Without the Garden, Mission Canyon would be a MUCH less safe place to live with the fire danger. The Garden has worked with neighbors as well as public officials to try and keep this project as bare bones as possible. To say otherwise is irresponsible.

6/10/2007 2:41 PM  
Anonymous Don Jose de la Guerra y Noriega said...

Bloggistas: Like Pondwater, put me down as well for the best possible Botanic Garden, and while we're at it, add to that the other NIMBY nightmares, --Westmont College, Lotusland, Presidio, Plaza de la Guerra, Public Art, and downtown cultural activities. Yeah, I'm for all that.

However, if any NIMBY's are against that masterful disgrace, the co-opting political machine, Arlington West, well by all means get rid of it.

6/10/2007 7:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has to be the average lunch FOR TWO at Ca'Dario is $35. Of course, one can't count on a food writer turned co-publisher to be that good at math, particularly when the Mrs. pays.

One of the more expensive items on the menu is the mushroom and seafood risotto, at about $14.

We know that Salud and Travis are both big guys, but let's not go overboard here.

6/10/2007 11:47 PM  
Anonymous eggs_ackley said...

where has civility gone?

the back-turners and shunners are doing our community no favors. their actions demonstrate an elitist mentality; promoting divisiveness?

take a good hard look in the mirror while considering your place in the concept of community.

6/11/2007 10:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since when has the News Press been "our beloved local newspaper"? The nostalgia being heaped upon the local rag is getting a bit out of control. Bad things happen to good people; good things happen to bad people, even in Santa Barbara.

6/11/2007 11:24 AM  
Anonymous With friends like that.... said...

wow. what a betrayal by someone who identifies himself in his email to Salud as "a friend and supporter".....to then forward the email exchange to be posted on a BLOG???? With friends like that.....I'm sure Salud will happily share who this "friend" was......

6/11/2007 5:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Folks:

Who knows? Maybe there are some good reasons for Salud to meet with Travis, such as persuading the News-Press to change its reflexive opposition to Measure D's renewal.

This ad hominem targeting of third parties has an uncomfortably McCarthyist tone. Moreover, it's completely unproductive.

Let's direct our focus and energy in the right place: on Wendy McCaw and her poor management decisions at the News-Press.

6/11/2007 8:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

umm "with friends like that..."
did you not read Salud's reply?
"Share this with whom ever you would like."

6/11/2007 9:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congratulations Sara - you successfully reported (posted?) that an elected official had lunch with the editorial editor of the local news paper. A serious offense to be sure, but how does it stack up against the behavior of other elected leaders?

Mayor Blum has spoken with Travis Armstrong, written letters to him -she even has gone on his radio show - yet oddly you only throw softballs when it comes to the "Slugger"?

Das Williams is quoted in the News Press more than perhaps any public figure and has yet to speak or even appear at an anti-news press rally -where is the outrage?

I would submit for the record that each of the electeds - Salud included - has done nothing wrong. The fact of the matter is that elected officials have it in their job descriptions somewhere that they have to talk to the media - even the members of it that they dislike.

Hell even President Bush still tosses in the occassional press conference!

In closing, let us move on to the "Citizen Stringer" - perhaps in reality a wannabe "Deep Throat"?

The person responsible for passing on Salud's email should make their identity known...and while you are t it, please tell us what great sacrificies have THEY made to "de-ligitimize" the News Press?

6/11/2007 10:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 9:38---
"share this" implies---"SHARE"-- not anonymous blogging, possibly by third parties....that's just downright creepy

6/11/2007 10:53 PM  
Blogger Sara De la Guerra said...

10:15 pm -- ummm, I didn't write this post and as I said above, I think it's a good practice for me to post community posts that I may or may not agree with....you are welcome to point out the other points you made, that's what blogging is about. No stone left unturned. This post was about a specific public official. Go ahead and send me a community post about the above!

6/11/2007 11:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wayyyy too much time on all ya'all's hands...........I realize many of the town's self-appointed and self-righteous moralists don't have to work, but.aren't there some home improvements you could be doing, instead of trying to foment outrage over an elected official having lunch? pathetic.

6/12/2007 7:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I ask a question, who has seen Salud at a pro-union rally?

His lunch with travis is disturbing because it is part of a larger pattern with him of showing complete indifference to the plight of the 40+ employees who have had their lives thrown into turmoil because of wendy, the baron and travis.

6/12/2007 8:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last time I checked, the NewsPress is a private enterprise and a county supervisor has no jurisdiction over this enterprise.

Too many people in Santa Barbara think too little about destroying private property rights. Let's not turn all of Santa Barbara into a communist state.

Wendy has a right to do whatever she wants to do with the NewsPress, including shutting it down and bargaining any way she wants to within the bounds of labor law.

She is not required to continue operation of a loathsome enterprise that becomes eviscerated by federal intervention. I hope she shuts it down and packs up the name forever.

Inclusionary housing is but one other example of an unacceptable taking of private property rights. Totally unacceptable. But it is happening right under out noses and the public has been shut out of the policy process on this one.

City staff rules and ignores. Why is city staff so invested in furthering communism in place of private property rights? How did this happen? Who elected city staff? How do we get rid of them?

6/12/2007 11:08 PM  
Anonymous Valerio said...

You finally know you are having a good time when your critics call you a Communist. The next step in the downward slide is to call you a toady.

The issue with that newspaper is that it indeed did violate labor laws. Thus, it no longer is simply the owner's business to destroy it.

In addition, "inclusionary housing" policies are part of the City rules of approval of a project, just like building a structure of infinite height is a rule with no "rights" restricted, or no "right" to dump the sewage out on the public street into the gutter.

The question remains from the beginning of this subject posting: What does Salud Carbajal think he has to gain, versus lose, by playing nice and helping out the Newspress.

How bad does it have to get before Salud hits an ethical and moral boundary that cannot be crossed in his eternal quest to be popular despite how insulted and dissed his supporters and friends and others are along his merry way?

6/13/2007 2:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, Valerio.........you are really consumed to the point of losing all perspective.........yikes!

6/13/2007 6:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you know he's "playing nice and helping out the News Press"? Maybe Salud sprang for lunch and took the opportunity to chew out Travis along with his meal...And were the waiters nice to Travis, or did they show proper solidarity by dumping food in his lap...how far is this going to go--do you want to shun every publication that Wendy owns and/or prints, too?

6/13/2007 6:54 PM  
Anonymous the other Valerio said...

I know, and yes, I do.

Anonymous Yikesman is hardly one to lecture about losing perspective.
Did the Nelville name disappear already, or will we see it when the NLRB federal prosecution goes to trial?

6/13/2007 9:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do we stop shopping at Gelson's now that they had a glossy, expensive insert in today's NewsPress?

6/13/2007 11:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The irony is that most of these people who pontificate to others about needing to shun the news press and anyone associated with it, actually read more of the news-press on a daily basis than most people in town.

6/14/2007 8:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, you stop shopping at Gelson's.

You stop supporting the advertisers.
You stop reading it.
You stop paying for it.
You stop talking to it.
You stop ghost-writing its content.
You stop voting for elected officials who pretend that nothing bad has happened.

6/14/2007 9:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...and boycott Ca'Dario, too?

6/14/2007 11:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, the first thing we should do is stop dealing in rumor, gossip, and innuendo. From my experience, Salud has a reputation of meeting with anyone who asks--which is usually considered a positive character trait. I find it hard to say the same for an individual who would be so caddy as to leak something as benign as this. To think that, simply because he has lunch with TKA, Salud supports the editorial practices of that misguided gent is outlandish, absurd, and not related to any fact-based reality I've heard of.

6/14/2007 4:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

quite the apologist 4:21 and quick to blame the messenger.

"I find it hard to say the same for an individual who would be so caddy as to leak something as benign as this."

if it is so benign? why the harsh reaction on your part?

Salud dug this hole himself with his condescending reply "how dumb" and his seeming dare/challenge showing disdain that anyone should question him about the subject "Share this with whom ever you would like."

Problem is, this email exchange really does show where the good supervisors priorities rest: with Salud. His constituents are meddlers in affairs beyond their understanding and the former newsroom employees are just the pesky annoyances of some of his strongest supporters: travis and the newspress.

6/14/2007 9:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm confused and no one quite answered this question I posed early in this blog....

Should we shun Marty Blum because she wrote and delivered a letter to Travis last week offering to be on his radio show if he asked her? Should we shun Das because he has had several "commentaries" published in the past year? as has Roger Horton? Or do those actions fall under some arbitrary dispensation that the self-appointed ethicists have decreed?

6/15/2007 7:10 AM  
Anonymous sa1 said...

As Tony Soprano so eloquently put it...

"Are we making a molehill out of this?"

6/15/2007 9:38 AM  
Anonymous Consistent Ethicist said...

We shun the Newspress and all its corporate subsidiaries, including Goleta Valley Voice, El Mexicano, and Blue Edge.

We educate those who enable the Newspress about why helping it is an insult to everyone so blatently attacked and ruined by the Newspress and Amparsand.

People like Carbajal and Horton need to think about why they help the Newspress be anything that hints of a legitimate newspaper. Helping the Newspress only condones its behavior.

I know many commenters here do not get the point about boycotts and principles and consistency with them, but it can work that way.

6/15/2007 3:00 PM  
Anonymous jqb said...

"Salud's response was inadequate and if he was meeting TKA for better relations and advocating change at the paper he should say so."

Perhaps it's inadequate if he were speaking at a press conference or answering a journalist's questions, but it was a short response to someone who wrote "Unfortunately, among our friends, it is hard to
imagine a more heinous rendezvous". Someone that moronic and accusatory was lucky to get the time of day.

6/15/2007 6:43 PM  
Anonymous jqb said...

"I'm confused and no one quite answered this question I posed early in this blog...."

Of course they haven't answered it, because to do so would require that they be, god forbid, intellectually honest, and admit that their attacks on Carbajal are irrational and ill-founded.

6/15/2007 6:46 PM  
Anonymous jqb said...

"From my experience, Salud has a reputation of meeting with anyone who asks--which is usually considered a positive character trait."

Indeed. The question we should be asking is whether Sara called Carbajal before inviting his trashing here because she found his email response to someone making outlandish hostile accusations too curt.

"To think that, simply because he has lunch with TKA, Salud supports the editorial practices of that misguided gent is outlandish, absurd, and not related to any fact-based reality I've heard of."

Indeed, only those who have abdicated their intellects could reach such a conclusion.

6/15/2007 6:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jqb...

good job just keep attacking the messenger.

the play book says: scream bloody murder while claiming to be the true victim at the top of your lungs for as long as you can and eventually the voters will re-elect you just to stop the ringing in their ears.

6/16/2007 10:07 AM  
Anonymous Fully in possession of Intellect said...

How bad does the Newspress Mess have to get before supposed community leaders, including but not limited to Carbajal, stop talking to them and making them seem like a legitimate and productive member of the community?

Does McCaw or one of her hired hacks and flacks have to shoot someone out on the park lawn to finally become evil worthy of shunning?

Does publishing a bullshit story accusing the target of the Newspress lawsuit of child porn make it bad enough to stop talking to them and their hirelings?

Does illegally firing writers in a labor union tip the threshold?

Does a deliberate bias in news coverage, or the absence of news reporting, make this situation bad enough?

Salud Carbajald clearly does not think the situation is yet bad enough to stop helping out the hacks and flacks who work for Ampersand and the Newspress mess.

If talking is so innocent, then use the phone or email, but do not take the public front for the mess out to lunch!

Carbajal needs to explain why he supports the Newspress and why what it has done to completely ruin a good newspaper and community asset is not a problem, nor what it has done to its employees.

The big insult here is how Carbajal thinks no one cares about what he is doing and how he assumes his supporters and funders will not care. Through his continual silence, he continues to insult.

6/16/2007 1:53 PM  
Anonymous Where is the rulebook said...

"About 100 people with Section 8 vouchers are looking for an apartment (within city limits) right now. But there are not a lot of success stories," said Rob Pearson, executive director of the Housing Authority City of Santa Barbara.
from today's NEWSPRESS article written by STEEPLETON:

"Mr. Pearson said the city's hands are tied when it comes to what owners want to charge for their rentals. He said he has recently written a letter to HUD, begging the agency to increase the voucher amount for Santa Barbara, where the cost of housing exceeds most areas in California. HUD provides 1,933 Section 8 vouchers to Santa Barbara County."

UH-OH--- is ROB PEARSON, who is a darling of all things progressive SB, now on the SHUN list---cause he obviously spoke with or emailed big bad STEEPLETON---- or will his infraction be excused by the NEWSPRESS POLICE???? DO TELL????

6/17/2007 10:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The saddest statement in this whole manufactured "controversy" is the comment in the original email to Salud, in which a "friend and supporter" states:

"..Unfortunately, among our friends, it is hard to
imagine a more heinous rendezvous:.....

that is so sad--- someone who cannot imagine a more heinous rendezvous. wow. can we all say "get a life"

6/17/2007 11:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Representation in the 1st District:

Question your elected representative about his relationship with a newspaper that currently is attacking its former employees as child molesters and pawns of organized crime trying to break into Santa Barbara in the form of the teamsters' union.

Result: Get attacked as "caddy" and "sad" - what's next - the author of the email will be called a pawn of organized? This all seems so familiar.

6/17/2007 6:06 PM  

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