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Friday, October 26, 2007

Community Notice: Be the Peace You Want to See

Join in a “Not protest as usual,”Rally & Walk for peace with cities around the world to end the war, and prevent a new war. On Saturday, Oct. 27, at 11:30 a.m., come to Vera Cruz Park across from Farmer’s Market (130 E. Cota ) for sign-making & a short rally at Noon with speakers and musicians. (Most relevant peace costume award is at noon!) Peace-makers will walk through downtown in small groups-- singing, performing, and sharing their perspectives. Sponsored by the People’s Coalition of Santa Barbara, concerned individuals and local organizations. Join this pre-Halloween costume “protest” on State St. -- Contact: Marcelino Sepulveda 403-3439


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give it up, the sixties are over!

10/26/2007 7:56 AM  
Anonymous Don Jose de la Guerra y Noreiga said...

Santa Barbara loves a parade. But for me, it's like a horror movie: "Nightmare on State Street" with all the clowns and jesters making me think of Chucky.

What fools are we.

10/26/2007 9:23 AM  
Anonymous John Stossel said...

So how exactly does this walk "end the war, and prevent a new war" ?
Are Al Queda and Ahmadinejad over there watching KEY news thinking "Hmm those Santa Barbarans don't like war, I guess we should stop blowing up stuff, supplying arms to insurgents in Iraq, chanting "death to America" threatening Israel, halt the nuke program, stop hanging gays, give women equal rights and start being nice! Go ahead have a peace walk , nobody will pay attention, everyone knows its just a group of aging hippies reliving their glory years, looking for another excuse to smoke reefers and have a party! Go ahead - have a peace party, pass around the peace pipe, sing some old time peace songs...and feel good that you're "changing the world". Gimme a break! Nobody pays attention to this stuff its predictable and expected. Get some jobs and do something useful.

10/26/2007 9:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes let us protest this war on Terrorism.
I wish the protesters had been around during WWII and the United States had not got involved in the War against the Nazis. Germany and the Nazi party should never had been stopped and we would now live in a world ruled by the Nazi party and speaking German. Just think we would not have the problems we have today in this world.
Let us not miss this opportunity to stop the war against Terrorism so that we can live in the world of Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. We missed the opportunity to live in the world ruled by the Nazis by getting involved and stopping them. It was not worth the lives lost on D day as our freedoms are not worth fighting for.
Be fashion forward Santa Barbara and wear your berkas to the protest and show the world your support for the Terrorists and the ways of the Taliban. After all the freedoms we have here in the United States are not worth fighting for. Just think of a world where you would not be allowed to protest unless you wished to be stoned or beheaded. Yes let us stop this war now and live the in world of terrorism and the ways of the Taliban. Ladies, berkas are now available at Wal Mart get yours now because you know what will happen to you if you are caught wear anything else in public... oh thats right women are not allowed in public unless accompanied by a male family member. Men will like this, just think of all the money they will save by not having to buy the women fashionable clothing not to mention that women will not have rights and will be sub servant to their men. I look forward to this new world so please let us stop this war against the Terrorists and the ways of the Taliban. Protest now it may be your last chance to do so because protesting will be a not be allowed after the Terrorists take over Santa Barbara.
Yes let us stop the war aganist Terrorism and live in their world.

10/26/2007 9:48 AM  
Anonymous sa1 said...

I'll see y'all down there. I'll be wearing a T-shirt that says "Don't Tread On Me" on the front...

"Just Don't Taz Me Either, Bro" on the back.

Peace Out, Babies

10/26/2007 9:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm all for your right to march, but if you have a "don't walk" sign facing you please don't hold up traffic. It won't end the war any sooner.

10/26/2007 8:25 PM  
Anonymous christine said...

I am scared of that park- there are some scary people there!! If they could guarantee I wouldn't be stabbed by a loser with a heroin needle, and that no one would stab me for not being a homie, I'd march down there with the news that uranium cakes are two for one today.

For real, I admire anyone who gets out and shares their view....but do these folks read the paper?

Iran has no homosexuals? That statement in itself needs a frickin' parade!!!!

10/26/2007 9:40 PM  
Anonymous Marcelino Misguided said...

At this time in the cycles, effort and time and energy would really be far more effective helping out your favorite anti-War Presidential candidate. Several good ones are available from which to choose.

10/26/2007 10:09 PM  
Blogger jqb said...

Thanks Sara.

Marcelino: it doesn't take much energy to walk down the street; one can easily do both. And it's worthwhile to make clear, by one's presence, that Santa Barbara isn't entirely occupied by the sorts of ghouls and goblins posting above.

10/27/2007 2:38 AM  
Blogger jqb said...

but do these folks read the paper?

Iran has no homosexuals?

The proper response to Ahmadinejad's statement is clearly to bomb the hell out of Iran, destroy their museums and infrastructure, set off a civil war, produce millions of refugees, thousands of dead American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of dead cilivians ... being careful not to hurt any of the homosexuals to whom we would be bringing freedom, of course.

10/27/2007 2:46 AM  
Blogger jqb said...

I wish the protesters had been around during WWII and the United States had not got involved in the War against the Nazis.

Right wingers in the U.S. were supporters of Hitler in the '30s; Prescott Bush was banker to the Nazis until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act. Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia and later Poland under the false pretense that they were a threat to Germany. Hitler demonized an entire religion: "Jewish communists" sounds a lot like "Isamo-fascists". Here's an interesting compilation of 31 similarities between Bush and Hitler:

Which is not to say that Bush is as bad as Hitler: "Of course countless differences may be listed between Hitler and President Bush, most of which are to the credit of Bush."

Damned with faint praise.

10/27/2007 3:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damed with feint praise.

10/27/2007 8:36 AM  
Anonymous Don Jose de la Guerra y Noreiga said...

JQB: Ahhh...Prescott Bush is the problem, I see.

No justice without order.

No peace possible without violence.

To compare today's chaos and violence to a possible utopia (nowhere) and make policy based on that principle is insane.

JQB: No matter what happens, you will be the first one squashed. Crucifixion is your only alternative. Or you can walk quietly to the gas chamber, beheadings, or guillotine depending on the final outcome. Your choice.

I hope you don't have a young daughter because the Takfirs don't like educated uppity women.

10/27/2007 9:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't rain on my parade

10/27/2007 11:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


the Lord works in mystical ways.
It did rain a little today.
Perhaps it is something to ponder.

10/27/2007 8:03 PM  
Anonymous sa1 said...


Do you really think the East Beach Woman's Volleyball Tournament will be played in chadors someday? Really?

Are you really fearful of a "Virtues" Police armed with canes, terrorizing the Sunday night crowd at The Wildcat?

Are you worried that the dollar will be brown and refered to as "Dead Ayatollas" with the words, "In Allah we Trust" on the back? Really?

You think the State St. Crawl will be all about pilgrims actually crawling to the newly rechristianed SB Mosque (after they install a gold dome on top the Mission)?

Can you really imagine the Five-O cutting off the hands of shoplifters, beheading adulterers, shooting student protesters and stoning pot smokers in County Bowl? (er, nevermind, don't answer that one)

My point is the fear of being called unpatriotic has worn off. I think Obama said it well in his comment about flag pins.

The Israelis have been fighting a culture war with a mere 4 million Palestinians for over 50 years. What makes you think we'll be sucessful with 35 million (give or take a few 100K) Iraqis or 70 million Iranians?

Doesn't it bother you that it seems quite apparent that the corporate kings have drained the lake of the publics wealth just so they can syphon off enough to engouge their personnel wealth? They have handed your financial balls to the Chinese to finance this war andgain access to $5 a day labor?

Which is worse, by the way, Islamo Facists or Totalitarian Communists? That's the problem anymore, we just don't know who to hate most...I'm so confused (and terrified)

10/28/2007 10:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny to read about being the peace you want to see on this blog where name-calling and hatred of certain individuals is a regular feature. Anyone who disagrees with this in-crowd mentality is posed as an enemy of the people, the true believers. That's not very peaceful.

10/28/2007 12:21 PM  
Anonymous Don Jose de la Guerra y Noreiga said...

SA 1

If women can play rugby in chadors, why not volleyball too? It’s a snap.

True, the virtue police is no longer with us, and neither is virtue--I must say. ‘Letting it all hang out’ commands the captain’s tower. Discretion has become a dirty word. Imagine if the Puritan fathers came back for a quick peak at their often ballyhooed “City on a Hill.” What would they think? Good riddance you say. You think, our present state is Prescott Bush’s fault.

Just moving onward a bit, what about Jefferson’s view of a Constitution where all depends on virtue in the people? Boy scouts can’t use public meeting halls around here? And JROTC has been shut down for young men and women? I could go on--hard to talk about virtue though. You probably think it’s a slimy subject. But think about it, next time there is a gang stabbing, robbery, or Anna Nicole Smith mania breaks out. Little Johnny can’t read at school either.

The Mission is already no longer Catholic. Let’s get that straightened out right away. I get a close look at what’s going on there, since I’m buried right in front of the alter and communicants walk right over me. The Mission has been transformed into an interdenominational love theology programmed in by Father Virgil. They’ve even gotten rid of my historic Spanish Songs, which my family loved so well. What’s this political correctness about anyhow? Can we be far away from a nice interfaith service with nice mushy Muslim ditties?…Who knows?

Thank God the Israelis are still holding out but things are looking a little gloomy. They know the price of their freedom. There might be just a bit more vestiges of public virtue holding on in the struggle.

Looks like your not worried sa1. You don’t like patriotic pins, and are no longer worried about Totalitarian Communists, German Fascists, and so why fear the Islamo Fascists? You got a proud to be fearless tone and stance there. Party on.

I’d say your whistling in a graveyard.

PS. The Muslims and the North Koreans are counterfeiting dollars as fast as they can. Look for a change in the motto soon.

10/28/2007 12:38 PM  
Blogger jqb said...

sa1: The right wingers always use fear of the other to justify violence against them and the stripping of rights. But it's getting very old, especially when it comes from the clearly least rational among us.

10/29/2007 7:14 AM  
Anonymous sa1 said...

"If women can play rugby in chadors, why not volleyball too?"

Yeah, but would you really want to go down to the beach with a six-pa...uh cooler of iced tea and watch them?

Indeed, I am fearless.
Once you've endured four years of catechism and four sacraments, you tend to feel somewhat invincible...just ask gee dubya

If our prisons were run by Catholic Nuns, recitivism would be 10% not 70%...I'm sure of it.

10/29/2007 9:22 AM  
Blogger MCConfrontation said...

sa1: what mean you by "personnel welath?" is that the money possessed by your staff?

10/29/2007 9:38 AM  
Blogger MCConfrontation said...

DJDLGYN: i like the way you think. in fact, it was my morning sunday morning to get up with my six month old and occupy her while my wife slept in, so we went fro coffee at the Grind and headed down to the wharf. i initially intended to mix up a little bit of trouble with your favorite group of protesters down there at arlington west. but i talked to the guy who seemed to be running it, and he seemed to be a pretty reasonable guy. he started by asking me if i knew anyone fighting overseas, and i said i did. he tried to push some literature about the display on the beach on me, and i said i knew what his thing was all about. i posited him one question, which was this: did you get permission to put these dead soldiers names on these crosses, or did you just put them up without asking if it was okay with the moms, dads, wives, etc. he said there were two soldiers whose families asked that their sons names not be on a cross at this display. one of them was the kid from lompoc that died a couple months back. i could have gotten into it with him, but after talking with him for five minutes i decided i didnt want to pick a fight. he actually seemed like a nice guy. despite that, though, i'm still with you. soliciting donations for an anti-war purpose while using the names of the dead soldiers to do so is pretty smelly if you ask me.

10/29/2007 9:45 AM  
Anonymous wineguy said...

OK Mac I'll bite. You did not take the literature because you already "knew what his thing was all about..." The memorial honors the war dead. Did they ask the families if it was OK to list their children's names on the VietNam wall? All those folks buried at Arlington (East)... did they get their families' permission? I feel so sorry for you folks who cannot bring yourselves to honor the dead. Why do you hate America so much?

10/30/2007 8:14 PM  
Blogger MCConfrontation said...

WHOA there vinoman. I'm in the America First camp. It's the libs that are America Last. To address your questions: the Vietnam Memorial is a national monument, not a volunteer enterprise soliciting donations to propagate its anti-war message while using the names of the war dead. Arlington Cemetery is a military cemetary, not a volunteer enterprise soliciting donations to propagate its anti-war message while using the names of the war dead.

I think Noriegas point was that this shrine on our beach doesn't just honor the war dead, rather it is an awareness tool intended to shock the visitor with a visual aid of 3000 crosses to inspire within that viewer an anti-war sentiment, and oh by the way, will you donate a dollar to our cause?

See the point? I love America.

10/31/2007 8:11 AM  
Anonymous yogarific said...

I am surprise that people are not out in the streets. As an American I am surprised that people are not screaming about not this war, but the TWO wars we are in. And we are trying to get into a THIRD war. I understand that in the 1960s there was a cultural event happening with the then-younger generation asserting itself and the draft left no option to just sit out the war. But things are worse now. The economy is really bad. We have a President who thinks he has authoritarian powers to spy on Americans and torture. We have cable networks who pass themselves off as "news" and who report our situation as if it were a football game.
Mark my words. If we enter the THIRD war there will be a draft. I am sure many who made snide remarks above qualify to fight this President's Wars. Your tune will change, then. Yet, I hope you never have to change. Not for this reason.

11/08/2007 6:05 AM  

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