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Monday, December 05, 2005

To Be or Not To Be...

I hesitate this morning to make any literary references because of yesterday's posts on "Funky" Town -- as in "won't you take me to". Hopefully, literary versus pop culture is a trivial pursuit we can all be comfortable with...

I also wonder whether to open the flood gates on this morning's article on whether Council Member Williams is a "young man in a hurry" as former Supervisor Schwartz says or if he's simply a victim of age discrimination. I tend towards the former myself but also think a thirty one year old is going to have a lot more problems in the early going.

Williams has been a heated part of many posts here at Blogabarbara -- let's try to keep our comments within reason please....

34 Comments:

Blogger spiritsofsb said...

or head over to http://sbseconddistrict05.blogspot.com blog if it gets too blogged down here.........

12/05/2005 8:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Totally absurd to comment so on 31-year-old Williams's "youth" -- wasn't so very long ago that youth were questioning whether to trust anyone older than 30.

How about looking at what they stand for? So far, we've heard nothing from Wolfe (except that she's the establishment (Rose/Carbajal) candidate, living in the mega-million$ Goleta foothills. Nothing from Secord (except his city council record), nothing from Guzzardi (except neighborhoods), nothing from Williams (except environment) but all of that is more than from Wolfe.

The issues ahead are intense, especially with the county split vote coming up in June.

12/05/2005 8:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree that Das's age isn't the problem. It's his immaturity and his wildly egocentric view of the world. I don't think we will all dry up and blow away or fall victim to rampant over development based on whether Das runs or not. However, that is apparently what he thinks based on his latest epistle from the Virgin Islands.

12/05/2005 9:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and who knows? maybe Das brought his carpetbag with him and will find a worshiping constituency who needs him to run somewhere on the V.I......

12/05/2005 9:14 AM  
Anonymous Anon One said...

1. What have been the "wildly egocentric views" uttered by Das?

2. Why such venon toward Das?

12/05/2005 11:31 AM  
Blogger David Pritchett said...

FIRESTONE-LITE: great taste and just as filling

Everyone needs to understand how the anti-Das argument helps the pro-Secord side.

As I noted at Seconddistrict05:

Secord will be a Firestone Light kind of brew, great taste AND just as filling with further support by Secord of the chapparal-brush rebellion of carnage that Firestone and friends are doing to this county, especially now on South Coast issues and places.

12/05/2005 11:47 AM  
Anonymous Anon One said...

I wasn't just asking rhetorically, I would really like to know what have been the "wildly egocentric views" uttered by Das and why is there such venon toward him?

12/05/2005 12:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

people who have had to deal with him one on one over the past several years could tell you pick any one of them, one on one becAuse in a group these days people are afraid to speak their truths for fear of being 'dassed'...

12/05/2005 2:19 PM  
Anonymous Anon One said...

I hope you understand that that doesn't really give me any information.
This blog seems to have a concentration of posters who have generalized complaints about Das, but I can discover nothing substantive.

I have zero interest in defending the man or punching holes in anyone's complaints, but I would like to read something specific.

12/05/2005 2:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The GUZZ supported Fess parker and his HUGE HOTEL EXPANSION that would have created lots of traffic. HE supported Fess taking an end run around the city planners and going to the initiative process to get his BIG DEVELOPER BUDDY FESS into the big money. What a joke. The guy claims to care about traffic and neighborhoods but he sure sold out to Fess Parker when he ran for council in 99 by supporting YES ON FESS. The campaign bumperstickers said "Fess doesn't shoplift". Reall classy guy that GUZZardi.

12/05/2005 3:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but we want The Guzz to run... GUZZle down some Firestone Lite brew!!

12/05/2005 9:59 PM  
Anonymous Noleta Realist said...

Lets think smart for a minute.

Janet is a Rose in Wolfe clothing. She will give the same elite progressive lip service to Noleta. And will create minority of two votes - just like Noleta today.

Das wants to take our neighborhoods and socialize them with forced affordable housing and give our tax dollars away to the unions.

And the GUZZ is a lightweight unelectable city of Santa Barbara activist.

Someone said in the paper today that Noleta needs a supervisor who can will talk to, deal with and get support from the north county supervisors to protect Goleta and Noleta. I agree.

Due to growth controls on the south coast we now have the majority of county voters in the north county and it will continue to grow more that way every year. Meaning that if we want to protect our community we do not need Salud and the Rose in Wolfe clothing - we someone who can deal and get help from Grey, Centeno and FIrestone. Today that means the doctor. I for one will get on board the Secord effort to work from within. He is very moderate and while can talk to FIrestone - he also does not agree with him on planning issues.

Das and Guzz will not win. The Rose in Wolfe cannot count to three votes. Today everyone knows Secord is a moderate social progressive republican, lets not drive him to the right. As from what I learn the Das or Wolfe poll shows the doctor ahead where he will remain.

12/05/2005 10:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Noleta Realist,

And what vast sea of information have you drank from that makes you privvy to Dr Secords views on planning? Because the Secord on the city council for the last 8 years and the Secord that was on the planning commission were pretty darned pro-private property rights, build it if you want to. Dan is very pro-growth, pro-affordable housing. Maybe he is singing a different tune to you now but the record sounds a little different if you just listen.....

Signed,
Puente de los Walnut

12/05/2005 10:38 PM  
Anonymous noleta Realist said...

Puente -

Have not talked to Secord. I talked to those who have fought or supported projects in the city of Santa Barbara and heard good things, better than about Das.

Also I could not find a vote in the city where Secord was not in the overwhelming majority either with 7-0 votes with all the environmentalist with him or with the majority at worse a 5-2 votes. His record at the Coastal Commission also makes him a moderate and a realist, like me. Even a number of environmentalist think he is smart and moderate at the Coastal Commission.

He does support property rights as state law but conditions or changes developments so that the developer gives up or gives in. It is good to support property rights including those like us who already live in a neighborhood.

Rose has given us lip service combined with her desire to shove poltically correct high density at us without givng us a voice.

I take Secord who can reduce projects, get fellow supervisors to support his reductions, respect my property rights as well as the vaccant lot owners, all more than Wolfe or Das. They will be one of a two vote minority trying to move 10 to 20 families on every acre.

The facts are clear, someone who really respects all property rights will protect me as a neighbor, rather than those who do not support property rights and are willing to trade my rights for their social engineering of very low income high density affordable housing.

Rose, Marshall controlled the Goleta Valley for nearly a decade and they made things a lot less worse.

12/05/2005 10:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Accordingto mainstream enviros like the Sierra Club Dr. Dan is one of the worst votes on the Coastal Comm. In their mid year report his rating was a paltry 23%! The funny thing is he voted the enviro position on all three coastal comm. votes in the last meeting before they did the rankings. Before that in six months of voting he had the worst record on the coastal commission. He even voted for the big condo project at More Mesa!

12/06/2005 7:32 AM  
Anonymous Anon One said...

Dear Noleta Realist:

This will be your reality with Secord: cement trucks.

Mansionization, that house next door to you will go to three stories.

And that house behind you will suddenly sprout a hundred foot short-wave antenna.

And that green space at the end of the block? Condos.

And all those private planes that circle your house admiring your roses? Their minimum altitude will suddenly become 200 feet.

And because that shopping center needs a department store, the county will take your land and give it to Macy’s. Eminent Domain.

Oh, there’s more.

12/06/2005 9:07 AM  
Anonymous noleta Realist said...

Dear anon one -

As I look at the city of Santa Barbara over the past eight years with Dan Secord I see an improving city. As I look at Noleta and Goleta under Rose I see a mess. In Santa Barbara I see parks and a recreation program, in the county I see not much. In the city I see fitting affordable homes, in Goleta I see lip service and crap. In Santa Barbara I see repaired roads, in Noleta I see nothing fixed.

Sorry I would take Secord who plans over a knee jerk Rose vote-a-like.

And with a Rose vote-a-like we have no say as Wolfe or Das will be hard pressed to find a third vote to protect our neighborhoods.

12/06/2005 9:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I look at the city of Santa Barbara over the last eight years I see democrats running the show. In the county of Santa Barbara I see Secord voting for development of More Mesa as a coastal commish...

12/07/2005 12:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our Opinion: Why give Rose's Wolf a free pass?


12/7/05





We find all this back-room party wrangling -- for a supposedly nonpartisan position on the board -- troubling. Janet Wolf doesn't merit a free pass to the November election.


The local Democratic Party establishment continues to try to solidify support for a relatively unknown candidate to replace beleaguered county Supervisor Susan Rose.

The latest comes from a press release from Rep. Lois Capps titled "Capps Urges Janet Wolf to Run for Supervisor."

It's widely known that Ms. Wolf is running, despite the absence of an official announcement from her. The congresswoman's press release gives the impression that Ms. Wolf is the subject of a draft campaign. The reality is far from it.

As previously noted on these pages, mainstream Democratic leaders for months have been orchestrating Ms. Wolf's candidacy and working to shut out other candidates.

Santa Barbara City Councilman Das Williams angered some party leaders in the November city election when he worked to push Councilwoman Iya Falcone, a fellow Democratic officeholder, out of a job. Now it appears payback time for that behavior. There's also the concern of some that Mr. Williams is ill-suited for the supervisor's position.

We find all this back-room party wrangling -- for a supposedly nonpartisan position on the Board of Supervisors -- troubling.

Rather than trying to ace candidates out, let the voters hear directly from everyone who wants to run.

There's a primary election, in June, for exactly this purpose.

Instead, party leaders are trying to make the primary less important by picking one of the winners before residents even have the chance to vote in this nonpartisan race.

Let's have a full field for the primary election, with a head-to-head race for the two top vote-getters in November.

What's troubling is that the behind-the-scenes jockeying could serve to limit robust debate to flesh out policy views between now and June.

Like many others, the News-Press has questions about Ms. Wolf's qualifications and stances on matters important to the 2nd District. For example, she has not been an active participant in her community's discussions to protect neighborhood character and rezone land for subsidized housing development in the unincorporated eastern Goleta Valley.

Ms. Rose will depart the board in 12 months.

She'll leave behind a legacy of ineffective representation for her district. More broadly, she'll be the last to leave office from a voting bloc on the board, known by detractors as the twisted sisters.

This group of three supervisors had a governing style that helped polarize the community. One can partly trace the move to split up the county to many of their off-putting actions.

Yet it appears, despite reports to the contrary, that Ms. Wolf is Ms. Rose's hand-picked successor. This raises a big red flag.

Is all this fair to pin on Ms. Wolf?

Probably not. And that's precisely the point of a primary -- to sort out and raise concerns before voters send the final two candidates to the general election.

At the expense of 2nd District residents, party bosses want to gave Janet Wolf a free pass to November.

12/07/2005 12:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with that editorial: let the voters see who's available, what the positions are, not the premature endorsements of friends of Janet Wolfe and her attorney husband, Harvey. Further shades of Rose and HER attorney spouse.

There are too many status quo establishment types on board her campaign ship. What, exactly, (other than the school board), has she done or said for the Goleta Valley - and the County issues! - over the recent years?

She's definitely had local Dems partying at her Via Los Santos house, but what other outreach has she done? True, she supported (with signs) SB city council candidates Horton and Redd, so one can assume she shares at least some of their opinions.

12/07/2005 6:15 AM  
Anonymous First District Streetfighter said...

The Newspress editorial, as sometimes happens, is totally on-point and correct this time.

Secord as Supervisor will be Jean Graffy in pants.

12/07/2005 7:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a couple points:

1. fighting to protect neighborhood schools so noleta children don't have to be bused to school is doing something good for the goleta valley.

2. the supervisor race is not a primary. it is an election that will be decided by a runoff if nobody get 50.01% or more votes.

3. as anyone who reads this board will tell you, a "robust debate" between Wolf and Williams will get nasty, probably more because of the people around them then the candidates and the campaigns themselves.

4. a "robust debate" basically means a waste of a half million plus dollars from local democrats that would be better used helping with party building, grass roots type efforts.

do you not all see Secord chuckling in the background? Wolf or Das can both beat Dan one on one but not after a bruising election where one of them limps into a run off while Dan sticks to the high road and coasts on his voter registration coup....

12/07/2005 7:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

raise your hand if you think Lois Capps would support a candidate who has no chance to beat Dan Secord.

12/07/2005 8:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard that Janet Wolfe isn't really all that wealthy. Most of her money comes from having a house that appreciated in value because of our crazy real estate market. But yeah, lets compare her to Susan Rose who lives in Hope Ranch in a huge house because both of their husbands are attorneys. Nice.

12/07/2005 8:05 AM  
Anonymous bye to good ol boys said...

Does the fact that Wolf's house was completely destroyed in the Painted Cave fire in 1991 matter to anyone?
What does Secord's wife do for a living? where does he live? and where, by the way does Das live?
the pervasive sexism already poisoning the 2nd district race, by so-called progressives as well as the Davies team, really is abhorrent.

12/07/2005 2:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. That their house was destroyed in a fire (as were so many others) makes no difference in a political race 14 years later.
2. Secord's wife, Mary, is a housewife and I think they live in a new house somewhere on Cliff Drive. He/they own quite a lot of property.
3. Das has said he bought a condo last year for under $600K near Oak Park in Santa Barbara.

Don't see that it is "sexism" to point out where people live and the value of their properties.... This race will be about property and neighborhoods and the environment. How and where candidates choose to live is relevant.

And this A.Mous has no connection to any political campaigns/consultants or "progressives"

12/08/2005 7:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Run Das Run. Wolfe will not and cannot stand up to the north county and will be run over. Das, you can beat the Secord in your sleep. Run, crush Wolfe and prove that the next generation of leadership has taken over and Iya, Naomi and Susan are done.

Das. Run. Win.

12/09/2005 8:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. Either the poster above is actually working for Davies/Secord, or he is so deluded and blinded by his Das=adulation that he doesn't see the damage he does.

Using images like "Wolf will be run over" "crush Wolfe" ....."prove.....Iya, Naomi and Susan are done" are exactly the reasons that people of good will are sickened by this macho-bullying BS that seems to be insidiously poisoning SB democratic politics.

The above post also demonstrates how removed the poster is from current County Board realities. Merely "standing up to the north" does nothing, when the votes are 3/2. The "North" isn't the enemy. Developer and oil money drives it all and could easily seep down south if we're all too busy proving who's a 'fighter'.

Whomever assumes the second district seat certainly needs to demonstrate fortitude and perseverance; and the proven capacity to build and sustain relationships among colleagues, seasoned Department Heads, State agencies, a diverse consituency and regional leaders. This is not 1960's Berkeley or IV.

12/10/2005 9:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the results of the santa barbara democrat process as the poster above wants led to the 3-2 vote we have today and will continue if Das does not run.

12/10/2005 6:49 PM  
Anonymous averagesbguy said...

what led to the 3-2 vote we have today was
John Buttny running for third district. period.

12/10/2005 7:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and what will lead to a 4-1 vote is Das not running and the Rose clone losing.

12/10/2005 10:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

spoken like a true"progressive".....

12/11/2005 1:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and the smearing of wolf continues, as predicted. anyone who gets in Das' way apparently isn't "strong" or "progressive". sometimes its true, but not this time. She beat cancer, a heart attack, and opponents who undersetimated her when she ran for school board. a goleta valley woman will beat a carpetbagger boy this june.

12/15/2005 8:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the nasty, vindictive mysoginistic bashing of the one female candidate in the race will hopefully die down soon; and all those who perpetrated it will be remembered.

12/18/2005 2:08 PM  

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