The Guzz and Eastern Goleta Valley
I got a request to start a thread as to why Guzzardi won in the eastern part of the 2nd DIstrict. Part of me is ready to move on but I haven't seen the numbers -- maybe someone can share?
posted by Sara De la Guerra | 6/27/2006 11:07:00 AM
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GUZZARDI received the most votes in the unincorported area called "Noleta" but SECORD and WOLF were right behind him.
However if you look at the entire Goleta Valley both WOLF and SECORD finished ahead of GUZZARDI. The News Press forgets to include the city of Goleta when they talk about the Goleta Valley.
It's interesting that Guzzardi won in the Eastern Goleta Valley. The veritable battleground for the high-density development debate. It seems, from my vantage point, that those people that live there responded at the voting booths by saying that they don't want the development. Since he didn't have anywhere near the money for highly frequent commercials and other marketing.
Two reasons: McCaw/Armstrong and Earle/CSP.
Why not rehash the Guzz? Takes everyone's eyes off the police mess.
Joe Guzzardi, Mayor of Noleta.
can we pleeeeeeeaaaaaaaaassssssseeeeeeee stop talking about the non-winners.
Until this narrow strip of land is its own district, or city, or county, it is really meaningless and pure spin to say someone "won" it.......
It's no surprise that Joe Guzz was a big hit in the unincorporated area of Goleta, but Wolf still made the run-off. She was plucked from obscurity, packaged up by her handlers, and lifted into a position of political power by her friends in high places. Nothing more, nothing less.
Janet Wolf will be the same mistake that Susan Rose was. She was cold and distant during the primary. No emotion. No vision. She will be much worse when she takes office and assumes the power that comes with the office.
Most voters won't realize how deeply they've been manipulated until it's too late...until they actually experience "Supervisor Wolf".
can we pleeeeeeeaaaaaaaaassssssseeeeeeee stop talking about the non-winners
can we pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee stop using extremely long words to make it look like you are put out by this discussion, as if it is a burden on your day
The fact that Guzzardi won in Eastern Goleta Valley is important, not just because of the candidate, but because of the MESSAGE that it sends to whomever takes over as supervisor next year.
Land use is the most urgent issue to those living in the area, and the people who live there voted for Guzzardi whose message was/is clearly slow-growth, pro-ag, pro green space, anti high-density.
When the time comes to search out neighborhoods to place dense housing projects, the existing sup should focus on the neighborhoods that voted for pro-growth candidates.
Guzzardi winning the Eastern Goleta Valley is the counterpoint to Susan Rose's edict that the "people responded". Anytime they try to develop Tatum, More Mesa, San Marcos Farms, MTD, etc., it will be brought up that Guzzardi won in Noleta, with justification.
You may be ready to move on, Sara, and I'm sure that Wolf and Towbes are too. But I'm not.
Mike Pinto says...
Who cares about Joe. He lost and has no future. Das will live on to fight another day. let's start a thread on why Lois Capps felt she needed to interfere with a local race? Wolf without Capps money loses to Das. Capps will be held accountable by the progressive community next election. Capps has become a typical DC power broker type. She has forgotten about running for a reason beyond being elected somebody. Maybe she should resign.
Interesting article in the recent N-P Women's Mag that was in Sunday's paper (and is online under Special Sections) about Wolf and heart disease.
"Having suffered from a heart attack at the age of 50, Wolf is all too familiar with the reality of heart disease. 'My symptoms began … ...Wolf says. 'The main points to remember are early detection, accurate diagnosis and proper treatment. Women need to know the very real possibility of heart disease.'"
Nice piece about cardiology in Santa Barbara and the importance of prompt treatment (and calling 911, which she did not do). Should help others. But my understanding is that stress is a real contributor to heart disease; is that not so?
One would think a job as County Supervisor could be stressful and not exactly recommended for a heart attack survivor. However, she certainly seems cold and emotionless so maybe less excitable, less subject to stress?
The part of you ready to move on was right...
Until individual precincts or clusters of neighborhoods somehow get Proportional Representation for how a single County Supervisor would vote, all this parsing of the vote returns is meaningless when the TOTAL, in the entire District, is all that matters for who gets elected.
Deconstructing The Guzz is done. Let him go back to keeping the Homeland safe. Enough Karl Rove style local politicks, dominated by a Debate of Distraction.
Blogabarbara actually needs a new subject topic posting about all the alleged experience and record of Dan Developer Secord that he advertises, versus what his record really was on certain issues. His web site and other material claim a lot of accomplishments when he actually did very little on the issue except vote with the unanimous majority on issues really led by Democrat Councilmembers.
Sara--- if the 12:38 anon posting is an example of what passes as "civil discourse" on this blog---then I vote for taking it down. We already have travis and the N-P. We don't need another venue for nasty politics of personal destruction.......
Nice (not) ANONYMOUS allegation about Janet Wolf and her cardiac health history for the 12:38PM comment posting.
Seems like that stuff in the other posting about "Karl Rove style" politics really is alive and well here. I recommend that Developer Dan run with that as a campaign theme. Say it Loud and say it Proud.
Those Republican Soccer Mom voters in Noleta and two tips of the Golden Triangle really will relate to that negative campaigning that targets the health of your female opponent!!
And then, Developer Dan, explain to all why you are suing the City because you were yackking to your wife on your personal phone and then fell on the City steps.
I agree -- at the same time, I wanted all of you to see that this is what comes through quite often. Some self-policing needs to happen here and I appreciate someone saying something. I reject comments like this all the time....and will continue in the future. I think that sometimes these posters need to hear from you as well...
Sara, really we don't need to see the bottom-feeding. we know its out here ; thanks anyway
The part of you ready to move on was right...
That part of you that was ready to move on was wrong. The fact that Guzzardi won in Noleta means that every time they try to put 200 condos on MTD, Tatum, San Marcos or More Mesa, Towbes/Rose/Wolf cannot use the reasoning that the "people responded".
Ummm, points noted in the above posts but Joe still was defeated. Let's move on and build on a consenus for whats best for the 2nd district. dd
Re Valerio's comment-- Since there is no formal representation of the Noleta area, that's precisely why it's important to acknowledge the way that people voted in that part of the district.
I'm glad that Sara put this thread on, even though she is "ready to move on." For those of us that live in the EGV, the land-use issue will continue to be in the forefront, so long as there is pressure for increased density. Moving on would be equivalent to giving up.
Furthermore, the impacts of increased density in EGV would affect everyone living on the South Coast, so people should consider that the Noletans are looking out for everyone's best interests when leading the charge for reasonable buildout numbers and sensible planning.
Please keep the conversation going, and credit Joe Guzzardi for having the courage to fight the good fight. Everyone benefits from raised awareness.
Janet Wolf won the election. She won by A LOT of votes. Get over it, regardless of where you live. And someone should tell the Secord staffer who posted the stuff about Janet's health to tread carefully. There boss has a tendency to "slip up" from time to time!
Kelly,
Good points. The eastern goleta valley would be wise to pay attention to the records of the remaining candidates on growth and development. One candidate, Dan Secord, boasts of his experience on land use but that experience consists of ignoring neighborhoods and supporting development. The other candidate, Janet Wolf, does not have a record of supporting development and is a strong environmentalist.
Dan Secord has taken large contributions from local developers with a track record of densifying the Goleta Valley.
You would be wise to get behind Janet Wolf.
Nobody won by "a LOT of votes". Out of nearly 100,000 potential voters, roughly 25% of those that COULD have voted DID. This means that Janet got into the runoff with help from approximately 7% of the voting-eligible Second District residents.
Not something to gloat about. More of a sad commentary than anything else.
Response to 4:20,
You say "look at the records of the remaining candidates on growth and development." And then you point out Dan's bad record along with Janet's lack of a record. From this, you conclude that I "would be wise to get behind Janet."
Not so fast.
The way I see it, these candidates need to get behind the residents--not the other way around. Current residents put environment, safety and quality of life above densification. A good representative will have the same priorities.
Bill,
And how much less support did Joe Guzzardi have, given your criteria?
3:15: I don't know if it was a Secord staffer or not posting on Wolf's health, but it was she herself quoted at length in a health piece in Sunday's N-P.
It was a very helpful article on women's health for which people owe her thanks.
That aside, questions concerning a candidate's health are indeed relevant to this - and any political race. The days of JFK hiding his Addison's disease or FDR concealing polio are - rightly - long past.
They're running for public office, to be paid for in public funds, to do the public work. The public, imo, has a right to know details about the candidate, including details about his or her health and background. All major illnesses are or can be relevant to the position sought; it's up to us to decide how relevant, if at all.
Janet Wolf to her credit has not made a secret of her health issues, writing about her heart attack and being a cancer survivor. She is to be commended for her openness, but whether to be elected is to be seen over the course of this WAY too long campaign. IMHO.
There is no reason at all for Dan Secord to attack Janet Wolf - she has done enough to herself - if you heard her on the radio last Saturday you know what I mean. She is so wrong on so many issues - including supporting Rose's high density housing, being a puppet for the unions and clueless on taxes and spending.
The other candidate, Janet Wolf, does not have a record of supporting development and is a strong environmentalist.
The reason why she doesn't have a record of supporting development, is that she doesn't have a record. And saying that she will help to protect More Mesa and Gaviota, yet believes in high-density housing means that she covets the other areas in the Eastern Goleta Valley, namely Tatum, MTD, San Marcos Farms etc to put housing on. Of the four original candidates, she just seems to be the one that can be the one most easily duped into thinking that we NEED more housing. Even though every street corner has an open house sign and there's a bevy of apartments for rent in the newspaper.
This is why the Guzzardi vote is so important. The people in Noleta do not want high-density housing. It will continue to ruin the quality of life in the area for all of us. The voters in the area knew that, and anything that Wolf gets duped into supporting in the area will be met with resistance, just like with Rose.
and yet the voters in Goleta chose Wolf...
Correction for Anonymous 5:05pm--
Eastern Goleta Valley favored Guzzardi above the other three candidates, according to totals reported more than a week after the election. That's the topic of this thread. This is an important fact that needs to be recognized by Rose and the next sup as the land-use saga continues.
Quoting Travis Armstrong from 6/18/06 NewsPress:
"Preliminary results from the voting precincts show Mr. Guzzardi won the eastern valley with more than 1,550 votes. Dr. Secord trailed him by a handful of votes."
and yet the voters in Goleta chose Wolf...
and yet Guzzardi won in Noleta, where Tatum, More Mesa, San Marcos Farms, MTD and other parcels exist.
by how many votes....???
The Guzz spent years fighting with Dan Secord at the City Council when Dan kept voting anti-neighborhood. Heightlimits, size bulk and scale mean nothing to Dan. Bigger is better. More money to be made for the Fat Cats that fund Dan's campaigns for City Council and Supervisor.
Dan has been a joke for neighborhoods except that those of us who live in the areas Dan has devestated arent laughing. In Bungalow Haven, where Dan voted to tear doen a historic building and is building all kinds of housing that is too much for us. We cant handle all the traffic it is going to create. We already have too much traffic which is why I keep having to deal with these damn traffic circles and other weird contraptions because of all of Dans pro-developer votes. Ever go to Samarkand and drive around? See all the strange planters and chicanes - its like a damn obstacle course and its unsafe. All thanks to Dan trying to justify his votes for more density by saying that the traffic can be relieved by these crazy contraptions!
Okay,
In the interest of disclosure I worked on Das's campaign.
Travis claimed the Joe got 1st or 2nd in more districts than Janet and was only behind Dan, that is absolutely untrue according to the statement of vote (the document published by the county that tracks the votes by precinct, available here http://sbcvote.com/elections.aspx?page=/upcoming/primary/results.htm&dir=true the 2nd district race starts on page 1701).
In fact, looking at the unincorporated part of the county, Joe got 1st or 2nd in only 9 precincts while Dan and Janet got 21 and 20 respectively.
So my question is how narrowly did Travis have to define the Eastern Goleta Valley in order to get favolable results for his statements. Because I can't find a way to manpulate the results to show Joe in any place but 3rd in the Eastern Goleta Valley.
Thanks, Jim for pointing to that document. Everything is broken down by precinct, but I don't find a map shows locations orboundaries. Do you know a path to that information?
Armstrong noted that it was the unincorporated area that favored Joe. That's no surprise since Joe showed the strongest reserve to stick to his word and reject more density in the area. I supported Joe for this.
The real question is why did Dan Secord do so poorly?
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