Santa Barbara Politics, Media & Culture

Friday, August 29, 2008

Obama Speech and McCain VP Choice

If you missed Obama's speech last night it is on YouTube. He hit it out of Invesco Park.

McCain looks to be choosing Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate today -- which is his 72nd birthday. Choosing a woman is a big step and a symbolic one for the Republicans -- does she have the experience as a first-term Governor? I'm sure we will find out more about her experience and approach in the coming week.


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8/29/2008 7:28 AM  
Anonymous Remember Names, Anon! said...

Although I know nothing about Palin, her selection would guarantee an historic election, whether the winner is an african-american president or a female vice-president. I just hope McBush doesn't choose Romney.

8/29/2008 7:55 AM  
Anonymous ridiculousness reigns said...

Hmmm, the democrats nominated a woman 25 years ago. The repubs are finally catching up with a gun-totin' woman with five kids (!), a right-to-lifer who presides over a state with a tiny population, who is under investigation for ethics violations. nice. historic, no; desperate, absolutely. Take that PUMAs--now how do you vote for McCain?

8/29/2008 8:19 AM  
Blogger Cookie Jill said...

Mile High Stadium. There's still bad blood about the corprate naming...and, personally, I'm sick and tired of hearing "Pepsi Center"

8/29/2008 5:39 PM  
Anonymous Semper Fidelis said...

I believe she has much more relevant experience than does Obama.

8/29/2008 7:04 PM  
Anonymous Don Jose de la Guerra y Noriega said...

Sarah Palin looks very good to me. Heard her speech. Spent the day checking out the stories...

She's a good shot...
Has a son in the infantry leaving for Iraq...
Has fine policies in Alaska...

I'm very impressed. But Trust and verify:
I'll keep looking for more info tomorrow.

Still plan on voting Obama for the moment.

8/29/2008 10:07 PM  
Anonymous Mr. Moreno said...

She's a creationist, fercryinoutloud. I'm all for people of faith, but we don't need another person in the White House who thinks the world is 6,000 years old.

There's faith and there's denying reality. Faith and reason are not mutually exclusive.

8/30/2008 7:17 AM  
Anonymous citywatcher said...

The point of a vice-president is having someone with the background, the ability, the, uhhh, gravitas to run this country if, as was Kennedy and almost were Ford and Reagan, the president is disabled or killed.

Although Palin is a politically exciting choice, I can't see her as presidential quality. What has 5 children, whatever her children have chosen as occupations, to do with being president? Being mayor of Wasilla, smaller than Montecito? Being governor of a state, though for less than two years, is a start....

Certainly shoots down McCain's most effective (imo) argument against Obama, that he does not have enough national experience, enough foreign policy experience to be president.......

8/30/2008 7:42 AM  
Anonymous Don Jose de la Guerra y Noriega said...

Mr Moreno...she approved teaching both creationism and evolution...
Why not? There both very sophisticated theories...

We find we can discuss Ptolemy and Copernicus too and everything will turn out fine...

Put all the ideas on the table. Let the students decide.

8/30/2008 10:24 AM  
Anonymous a voter said...

She's got my vote!

8/30/2008 11:43 AM  
Anonymous Another Voter said...

No way. I see the wisdom of choosing a woman, but this woman?! Is this the best woman the Republicans can offer?

This is a cynical move by McCain that will blow up in his face. Palin is the diametric opposite of Hillary and is on the wrong side of most, if not all, women's issues. Only the most rabid woman-or-else voter will fall for this. I'm glad to say I don't know any.

I had some misgivings about Obama, but there's no way I will vote for McCain now.

8/30/2008 6:11 PM  
Blogger Happy Programmer said...

"Put all the ideas on the table. Let the students decide."

I totally agree, let's also put the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory of creation out there, let the free market of ideas reign. My friends, we were all created in a salty boiling cauldron.

8/30/2008 8:11 PM  
Anonymous AN50 said...

Geez, she’s got me agreeing with Don Jose, fercryingoutloud! Can we leave the elitism out this for a change? I, like Don, am impressed, but want to do my homework as well. Moreno makes a good point on the ready to run qualification, however, Barack is in the same boat.

8/30/2008 8:56 PM  
Anonymous Not One To Gossip but said...

8/31/2008 11:38 AM  
Blogger Sara De la Guerra said...

Is saw that this morning will be interesting how this plays out and whether it gets to be a bigger story.

8/31/2008 12:24 PM  
Anonymous Don Jose de la Guerra y Noriega said...

Hi everybody. Seems like you women out there should be more interested in protecting Sarah Palin from the misogyny of the males out there...

What did she do to deserve all the female's piling on too...?

Sara: Giving credence to that rumor is not worthy of a De la guerra...!

8/31/2008 3:44 PM  
Anonymous Hailen Palin said...

All the dark corners of hidden sexism will at last come out. This is the best effect so far.

Notice already the Double Standard applied to her; instead of The Him. Gawd love it to see the Dems doing (more) of the female trashing instead of the Reps. What a show we are having this year.

And the oxygen was totally sucked out of Obama's Coronation. I'll put my money on McCain just for that blessed event alone.

8/31/2008 6:14 PM  
Anonymous Hailen Palin said...

Double standard: Michelle looks like a fat pig after two kids, but one has to trash Palin for still looking like a babe after five. Go figure.

8/31/2008 6:16 PM  
Anonymous AN50 said...

Gossip, yer getting your info off the DK, the tabloid of the leftwing kooks? The internet is a sewer, filled with shit, you can pick it up and fling it if you want, but it takes real intelligence to find the few pockets of clear water (truth) and if its truth you want stay outta the stagnant pools like the DK, the smear merchants of kooksville.
BTW the last time we let students decide anything, they burned down IV, got drunk and fell off a cliff and got their proverbial socks charmed off by the “Chicago Machine’s” new boy Obama. For you youngins out there who don’t know any better the only criminal gang worse than the “Chicago Machine” is the Russian Mafia and you won’t get the truth about that off the George Soros network.
Now then, creationism, as preached by kooks masquerading as Christians, may be on par with the Global Warming religion or the Obama Cult, but I for one don’t have any faith in the ridiculous assertion that life, is some how a spontaneous random accident that some how denies the 2nd law of thermodynamics which states all systems tend toward disorder or entropy. When the purveyors of such a theory can support it with science then we can have a discussion. Until then Happy can go on believing he’s nothing more than a cosmic accident that only serves the other religion, Atheism.

8/31/2008 9:26 PM  
Anonymous Oh please said...


Fruitcake conspiracy theory.

9/01/2008 12:15 AM  
Blogger Sara De la Guerra said...

Uncle Don -- what did I say? No credence to the story other than it will be interesting to see how this one goes -- the 'love child' stuff with Edwards started the same way.

9/01/2008 6:16 AM  
Anonymous Teacher, teacher said...

Let's see: Palin approves teaching creationism.

And Obama approves teaching soak the rich class warfare, and revival of the tax dolar funded, public union supported welfare state.

Think I'll go along with creationism - less negative economic impact. McCain-Palin 2008.

9/01/2008 8:16 AM  
Anonymous Don Jose de la Guerra y Noriega said...

Sara...shame on you again! I read the first sentence and was re-evaluating your position, then wham, the second sentence with its comment about that old rumour about Edwards, --your one time Presidential paramour--which turned out to be true...leaves me with the impression you're doing innuendo...I do recall well how you fought to defend Edwards...yet here's Palin who you decide to leave hanging out there undefended for the sexist hordes to munch on, and although that second sentence of yours was mere innuendo...what was true with Edwards might be true with Palin--just leaves me with the bad feeling only a well meaning patriarch can have.

What is it with women?...what do they want? What's the matter with Palin?

Personally, I feel Hillary talked the talk, and Palin walks the walk--and shoots too.

9/01/2008 9:17 AM  
Anonymous Internal combustion said...

As a died-in-the-wool Dem/liberal/feminist I am keeping my fingers crossed that Obama's team can find something other than "code" sexist language to propel him to victory in the fall. They developed such a skill in their sophisticated yet transparent trashing of Hillary, that they're probably salivating to go after Palin as opposed to just demonstrating what they must believe are Obama's strength. Instead I would urge my brothers (and I do mean brothers) on the "progressive" side to instead focus on whatever substance it is that caused them to worship Obama in the first place. We know, "he has to win" or--what will happen? Oh yea, the big stick held out to get feminists in line----McCain will appoint bad Supreme Court justices. Really---that is what our democracy has boiled down to this year----ramrod the darling of the Chicago intelligentsia into winning the primary, then despite his failings, don't urge him to open up and perhaps listen to a wider bunch of advisers----just tout the Supremes as why he MUST WIN. Interesting political strategy---oh wait, that didn't work with Kerry or Gore......but oh yea I"m just certain it will work this time.....yea right. I'm afraid we Dems once again sowed the seeds of our own implosion this primary season and it's too late now.

9/01/2008 9:17 AM  
Anonymous Toofer said...

Obama makes being raised by a single mom on foodstamps a critical part of his campaign platform. Let's see now how snarky the Obots will be over Palin's single parent pregnancy.

Loved the official Palin response - it hit all the right notes and drives home these people know a lot more about life in middle America than the Obama's will ever learn living in Hyde Park courtesy of the Tony Rezco's largesse.

Dem = Double Standards for any and all issues.

9/01/2008 12:05 PM  
Anonymous David Esparza Jr said...

I seem to be the only Dem I know who wasn't overly impressed with Obama's speech.

My criticism of Obama's speech goes to 1) the lack of any memorable lines (remember "the audacity of hope"? there wasn't one of those here), 2) the inability to bring large and complex ideas to a simple point (Bill Clinton is a master of this), and 3) Obama has set the bar so high for himself that this wasn't for him one the greater of his speeches.

But I get shouted down every time I say that.

Don't get me wrong, it was a good speech, but with this being such a crucial speech for Obama, I didn't see what I thought I would see.

I honestly wonder if it reads as well as it sounded.

9/01/2008 12:48 PM  
Anonymous sa1 said...

"but I for one don’t have any faith in the ridiculous assertion that life, is some how a spontaneous random accident that some how denies the 2nd law of thermodynamics which states all systems tend toward disorder or entropy."

Sorry to torch your rationalization ANfitty, but ther's nothing about the 2nd law that would preclude the chemical interactions you seem to feel had some devine hand involved.

Only a system in total equalibrium (maximum entropy) would be unable to support spontanious processes. The fact the the world we live in exists is proof of that. Next...

Oh yeah, that rumour thing about Palin...Bwahahaha DJDLGYN tisk tisk tisk, you should know by now that every rumour on the internet is usually true...By the way for $500 I'll sell you my bridge in Nigeria...

You really think that if McCain kicks the bucket, Palin's the one you'd want running the country? I like McCain as a great American but he shown a pretty poor decision making ability here. He's made an obvious play for the disenfrachised Clintonista's at the expense of the American public. How typically right wing Republican of him. He thinks your all that gullable...Then again you creationistas obviously are.

9/01/2008 12:58 PM  
Anonymous no one to gossip but said...

here is a filthy internet update for AN50 and anyone else who is interested.

9/01/2008 1:43 PM  
Anonymous lower Westie said...

Honestly, the question about her experience is valid, but this baby Trig coverup, and now her daughter being pregnant story is so unseemly for Blogabarbara.

The Edwards story had a local connection. This doesn't.

Senator Obama on the subject,

"I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. My mom had me when she was 18. And how families deal with issues of children shouldn't be part of our politics."

9/01/2008 1:44 PM  
Blogger Sara De la Guerra said...

I don't care whether Palin's daughter had a baby or not -- either time -- that's her choice. What bothers me is that at the very least there is some bad judgement shown on the plane trip, no?

Uncle Don -- I believe I said I felt betrayed about Edwards' affair and, like today, said I wanted more info than what The Enquirer gave us. Now I feel betrayed as I should. I repeat that I am willing to hear more about what happened with Palin...the facts thus far though don't look too good.

9/01/2008 4:49 PM  
Anonymous AN50 said...

Yeah! Sat1 is back! Looky bubba when you and all the other religious freaks out there can prove life spontaneously starts using real science I’ll take you out of the same league as those who believe the earth is 6000 years old. So far nobody has been able to put forth a decent theory as to why, along with a few thousand other highly improbable attributes of our universe. And since when did questioning anything suddenly become Creationism? Whatta dork.
As for Palin, she has more cred than the “Chicago Machine’s” boy Obama. The DK can scrape up all the crap it wants, there’s plenty to go around on both sides. The DK isn’t the only evil operator out there, either. So Gossip baby, when the urge to fling shit hits you, maybe you ought to make sure you got your own closet is cleaned out (check those cookies on your hard drive…heee..hee..he).
And yes Sat1 baby, if McCain kicked the bucket, God forbid, I would feel comfortable with this gun toting, GOP crony kicking, stick up for what I believe in gal at the helm. Now the debates may prove me wrong and maybe the sore losers that constitute the left wing of the Democratic Party can tank this broad with some irrelevant mud slinging scandal. Fine I’ll eat my hat then, but I won’t turn into a whining, spoiled, entitlement minded sore loser like the lefties in this country.

9/01/2008 7:30 PM  
Blogger Sara De la Guerra said...

Please watch your language friends!

9/01/2008 7:55 PM  
Anonymous dazed and confused said...

Has everyone been standing out in the sun too long? Sara Palin is less qualified than our dear Sara DeLaGuerra, who has been in the SB political/cultural swirl since Ms Palin was still the mayor of the scandal-ridden flyspeck town of Wasilla, pop. 6,500. No she is not qualified to be the mayor of Santa Barbara, much less the governor of an entire state (even with its miniscule population of less than 700,000) reality check time. Really!

9/01/2008 8:13 PM  
Anonymous Clinton fan morphed to Palin-ite said...

People have been standing in the sun so long they actually believed Obama has experience to be POTUS.

I'll put my money on Palin anyday over Obama's talk, thin resume, missing in action on critical votes, and job-hopping every few years.

I liked what I saw and heard in Palin. Liked it a lot and that is what it all gets down to - who is the most likeable.

Huckabee made me like religious conservatives too and he had the best line in the entire campaign admitting yes, he was a conservative but he was just not so angry about it.

9/01/2008 8:26 PM  
Anonymous sa1 said...

You guys hear the latest internet rumour? McCain's Cabinet picks... Jean Blois for Sec of State, Bennet for Sec of Defense, Onan for TSA, Acheves for Attorney General...sa1, of course, will be Sec of the Treasury cuz I know how to spends some money Whooopie!!

9/01/2008 9:10 PM  
Anonymous Don Jose de la Guerra y Noreiga said...

Howdy friends...I am just shocked. So many minds made up about Sarah and yet we hardly know her...

I usually call this the 'magic mirror effect'..."mirror mirror on the wall, etc." and you see yourself in the mirror, and make the consequent comments in this Palin story.

So she's OK by me and I can't wait for the Vice President debate. I am not sure that Biden's 'foreign policy as sports metaphors' are going to stand up against this basketball barracuda and hockey mom who kills and eats moose for lunch...Biden better be very careful.

Just speculating of course...but that's what the internet is for.

9/01/2008 9:15 PM  
Blogger Happy Programmer said...

Looks like all the anonymous users agree that McSame is a wonderful candidate! Ten bucks it's just one greasy dude with a lot of time. Go and register on and back up what you say with an identity.

Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter is now pregnant so I guess we see what abstinence-only education teaches you. Normally I wouldn't bring up personal stuff but she made it an issue with her religious "god loves me more than you, do as I say not as I do" diatribe. This is exactly the same kind of stuff we've seen in the last 8 years from the GOP. Palin is probably worse than Dan Quayle, the polls have shown a boost from Obama's speech and the glorious Sarah Palin surprise hasn't changed the polls.

Right now the anonymous person clapping for McSame reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister, refusing to face reality and clapping along.

If you want to get hammered about the "2nd law of thermodynamics", register and I will gladly fill you in on what that means and why that argument for creationism is completely stupid.

9/02/2008 12:15 AM  
Anonymous Clinton fans for Palin said...

Google "Newsweek Palin March 2008" to see extended video clips of Gov Sarah Palin answering a wide range of topics and then get back to me.

She is bright, focused,candid, articulate, engaging, charming, humourous, mature and seasoned beyond her obvious glamour looks and relatively young age. McCain made a brilliant choice. And this interview was done long before she was touted as his VP choice. Sarah Palin was sharing Sarah Palin in this interview.

She was attending a conference for women governors and she shares her thoughts about Clinton, women in politics and she is sound and knowledgable about the realities of women in politics.

She is a woman of a new age and the old double standard used against women on the cutting age will simply fizzle when used against her.

Notice already the opposition (the Dems now) are painting her as emotional, maniupulative,vindictive, a bad mother and poor female role model.

That is the sexist bias that is finally coming to light because it has been used against all women - both Clinton and now Palin.

These video clips are a must see before this discussion goes much further.

9/02/2008 10:27 AM  
Anonymous Don Jose de la Guerra y Noreiga said...

My friends, I don't live in a free country...I can't find any Obama/Palin bumper stickers anywhere and that's who I'd like to vote for...

9/02/2008 11:33 AM  
Anonymous Clinton fan for Palin said...

This is the Sarah Palin the nation and world will get to know in a few more days. She is great:

9/02/2008 11:36 AM  
Anonymous AN50 said...

Ok Happy, why is identity so necessary for you to prove your point? If you are so all fired knowledgeable about physics then demonstrate it right here anonymously in a public forum where others might have the opportunity to learn from you. Unlike you, I welcome the challenge. Show me and everyone else here what an idiot I am for not understanding physics, then answer my original question and explain how life just spontaneously started, please, we’re all dying to know what you know, that the science community hasn’t been able to answer yet. And where o where did I say I supported creationism? I just called in to question the ridiculous assertion that just because something may have been initiated by something we don’t understand, doesn’t necessarily mean it happened by chance.
Why is it you libs get so all fired angry when someone challenges you, that old intellectual narcissism creepin up on you? As for abstinence, it works every time it’s tried. And as for Sarah’s diatribe, you got a direct, verified quote buddy or you just repeating your tried and true DailyKos talking points.
You fearful ultra leftwingers can fling all the mud and crap you want. But in the end this Sarah Palin woman is going to have to convince us all, you and me, that she is up to the job. In the mean time why don’t we have a nice little policy discussion, cause to tell the truth if I want tabloid I can visit DK or MO or some other kook fringe site.

9/02/2008 6:43 PM  
Anonymous Don Jose de la Guerra y Noreiga said...

Dear Clinton fan for Palin:

Thank you for referring me to that Newsweek interview with Sarah Palin at the women's governor's conference with all the commentary about Hillary and women's issues...very informative indeed.

Everyone should read it.

9/02/2008 9:32 PM  
Anonymous Eat The Rich said...

The theories about the origins of life have nothing to do with "life just spontaneously starting". Of course, they hide this basic information from conservatives in these devices called "books".

Anyone who claims to have supported Hillary Clinton and is now saying they will vote of McCain/Palin has zero credibility - either you had no intention of voting for Clinton and are just using her loss as a talking point, or you were only voting for Clinton based on her gender and have no interest in any substantive issues.

Either way, these so-called "Clinton for McCain" supporters should be ignored. They will not be a factor in this election, no matter how much they claim otherwise.

9/02/2008 9:49 PM  
Anonymous Clinton fan for Palin said...

Dear Eat the Rich (code name for Obama supporter),

Nope, you err. Die-hard Hillary fan (both donations and time) and I have no problem turning my back on the relentless attacks on women perpetrated by my own Democratic Party, first against Clinton and now against Palin.

Same pattern of attacks that made one wonder if Clinton alone as a coincidental female earned or deserved them.

But to see the exact same pattern of attacks now registered against Palin, still unknown to the Dem Party attackers, shows it is not the individual woman getting attacked, it is the concept of women in general getting attacked.

The pattern of attacks create the image of any woman being: incapable, incompetent, emotional, can't make tough decisions, weak, will fold under pressure, manipulative, vindictive, looks obsessed either too attractive or too ugly, castrtaing, poor female role model and inadequate wife and mother.

One was able to laugh when these came from Rush Limbaugh. But one started crying when they came now also from the Democrats.

Just like McCain is putting Country over Party, I put gender over Party and I have no problem supporting Gov Sarah Palin.

Take the advice and see the Newsweek interview with Gov Palin and then get back to me about the Democratic party slurs against her.

9/03/2008 9:37 AM  
Anonymous Eat The Rich said...

Clinton Fan for Palin:

Congrats on breaking that rather cryptic code. I'll congratulate you with the word, "Duh".

Funny how that Newsweek article doesn't address any common political ideologies shared by Clinton and Palin. Not only that, but Palin criticizes Hillary for even mentioning the sexism of which Clinton is a victim. So, yeah... thanks for making my point.

I'm watching Palin speak at the RNC as I write this, and there is nothing about Palin that is remotely Clinton-esque - save the fact that they share the same gender.

I do believe you are making a veiled attempt to stir things up (an extremely transparent attempt at that), in order for there to be an appearance of Democratic defections, but no reasonable person would fall for this nonsense.

No matter how you try to spin it, I simply don't believe you ever had any intention of voting for Clinton. Sorry... but you're welcome to try again.

9/03/2008 8:06 PM  
Anonymous David Esparza Jr said...

"The pattern of attacks create the image of any woman being: incapable, incompetent, emotional, can't make tough decisions, weak, will fold under pressure, manipulative, vindictive, looks obsessed either too attractive or too ugly, castrtaing, poor female role model and inadequate wife and mother."

So, what CAN we debate when a woman is a candidate? Youve already nixed qualifications (incompetent, incapable), demeanor (emotional), judgment (...tough decisions), commitment (weak, fold under pressure), and the 'head of state' figurehead items like ideal person (role model), and personal life (inadequate wife and mother).

What's left? Can we never debate any of these things because she is a woman?

Folks say Obama isn't qualified, say McCain is an asshole with a temper, say Obama is wrong on Iraq, say McCain flip-flopped with the religious right, say Obama is a smoker, say McCain looks feeble in front of green backdrops....

Right there, each of your categories, and we debate those characteristics about these men, but you say we ought not to about a woman?

Man or woman, you do stupid, I'ma call you stupid.

Come on, Clinton Fan. It may be that those things are and have been used by misogynists to demean women. However, to say we could not debate those things in an academic and matter of fact discussion is ridiculous.

I hate asking this, but would you rather folks gave her a pass because she is a woman and expected nothing because, well, why would you expect anything of quality from a woman?

This is a job interview, and we're Human Resources-- we have every right to ask questions. Do it blindly and put the qualifications, questions and responses on paper, cover up the face, the voice, the interviewer and interviewee-- you'd still be asking and questioning in order to verify.


9/03/2008 9:31 PM  
Blogger Happy Programmer said...

Look, to all the raving lunatic(s) that want to discuss anything with me, register, then we'll talk. I have no time to parse a wall of text from anonymous postings.

9/03/2008 10:09 PM  
Anonymous AN50 said...

Eater, read what was written then comment. You sound like Happy, who thinks anyone challenging the new religious dogma is a threat. Never once did I challenge Darwin. But hey if one questions the origin of life then they must be a creationist, huh?
As for Happy, what gives? You post with an anonymous moniker and then when you don’t like a response you want to go off line to talk? No way pal you opened the topic here on this blog in front of everyone, now finish it here. God what an ego! If you don’t have time to cook stay out of the kitchen or do you have some other intentions, my friend?

9/03/2008 11:02 PM  
Anonymous Shoreline Shark said...

Yet you have the time to post so frequently on blogs that you have a registered identity. Interesting.

9/03/2008 11:47 PM  
Anonymous sa1 said...

Good points David E,

Y'all can still free free to verbally beat the crap out of all us invisible middle aged white guys though. We don't care, we'll still run Wall Street, most politics, big business, law enforcement and the military.

"Damn the Torpedoes, full speed ahead!"

9/04/2008 6:30 AM  
Anonymous Don Jose de la Guerra y Noreiga said...

Good morning...I feel like I need to say here after all the comments, that Sarah Palin's speech was sensational--a tour de force...

Now people are saying it's not her speech--a man did it.

I wonder what Marty Blum thinks about Sarah's comments on the experience of mayors vs. community organizers...

9/04/2008 8:20 AM  
Anonymous SBVCer said...

The biggest misconception is the radical right somehow has a monopoly on being rich, when in fact it's more the case that the radical right inherit their wealth (Cindy McCain, Bush etc). Whereas you have that wacko left creating businesses like Apple(Steve Jobs was a spiritual wander/hippy in India), Starbucks, Facebook, basically the entire silicon valley is full of rich left-wing entrepreneurs. Even in this city we have rich left-wing entrepreneurs and VCs making this city better, I work with them and have worked under them. They are some of the most cut-throat business people around. They pay taxes so you can drive to work to make money to afford your internet connection and post your garbage.

But it looks like sa1 has swallowed the kool aide.

9/04/2008 12:56 PM  
Anonymous Shoreline Shark said...

Sarah Palin actually will sink McCain's campaign, just wait. She has less experience than Obama. This was a terrible choice, now McCain can't talk about experience.

9/04/2008 12:58 PM  
Anonymous Clinton fan for Palin x 10,000,000 said...

Esparza, nothing wrong with using any of those terms listed as "female slurs" when they match behavior. But applying them wrongly, without facts or context to create a slurred female image is what is wrong. And this is exactly what the Dems did to both Clinton and the yet almost unknown Palin.

First case in point: Hillary breaks down and crys, uses tears to get her way....according to the attacks. Nice female instability imagery.

EXCEPT, when the actual video was viewed the only observable emotion was an entirely appropriate catch in the voice and maybe some misty eyes.

AND, the Dems later bragged about all the crying women responding to Michelle Obama's speech as if this was a sterling endorsement for this kid as POTUS.

Applying descriptions where appropriate is not the accusation here, so stop feigning helpless frustration about "crazy females who can't make up their minds".


9/04/2008 1:19 PM  
Anonymous JeffInSB said...

an50, science proposes theories based on observation, evidence and facts. Based on this we can assign a probability to theories. For example the theory of gravity, or the theory of evolution. There are missing links, observations of mitochondria, DNA that backs up tree ring data and vice versa, DNA that coincides with the fossil records. We see species like the platypus with mammal and non-mammal features. So we assign a probability of evolution being true from 0 to 100%.

What is the probability of the creationist story being true? Well first we must evaluate which creationist story, is it the 6,000 year old Christian story? How about the million-year Hindu creation story - we are all imaginary characters in Vishnu's dream and he wakes up and we all die. How about the Raelian creation story, we were created by aliens, what observation and facts can you use for these stories and what are the probabilities?

Well, you can't find any facts or observations to support these "theories" therefore science doesn't include them in its repertoire. The probabilities are 0%. In fact, we find fossils older than 6,000 years old so that particular 6,000 year old story is bunk until proven otherwise. Publish a peer-reviewed story about how the earth is 6,000 years old, debunking the evidence that points to fossils older than 6,000 years old, debunk the dating methods which happen to coincide with tree rings, and you may just change my mind.

That is why creationism is distinct from evolution.

9/04/2008 2:03 PM  
Anonymous Hillary Fan Against Palin said...

I like Palin except for her pro-abortion stance, that alone makes it so I could never support her or McCain. It is nice to have a woman VP although that glass ceiling was broken by Geraldine Ferraro, who was very much pro-choice.

9/04/2008 9:54 PM  
Blogger Sara De la Guerra said...

Uncle Don -- here we go with family infighting again :)

Being a Mayor of a town of 5,000 is very different than being a US Senator that deals with national and international issues all day long -- not to mention the experience one gets in negotiating, budgets on a national level, etc.

Alaska's representation is small as Governor, Illinois' is large as a Senator...for the Republicans to say that she has relevant experience because she tried to sell a plane on eBay (it didn't sell) and because she is a hockey mom is revisionism at best.

I'll give you that she is a good speaker although I didn't get the fire in the belly from her. She's sharp but Biden will eat her for lunch at their debate don't you think?

As many have been saying, this is either a huge mistake or a brilliant move for McCain. I just don't see the brilliance yet...

I do think her daughter Piper is precious! What poise for a young child...

9/04/2008 9:59 PM  
Anonymous AN50 said...

Ok Jeff, what did ya do with Happy? Is he miffed because I won’t reveal my identity through his registry? Hmmmm. I know what science is. I know what the theory of evolution is. The origin of the species is extrapolated back to some how explain the origin of life. Problem is we cannot reproduce it in a lab. We have, even with the most powerful supercomputers on the planet, not been able to model the fundamental spark the got life going, even after running trillions of iterations. It is quite baffling to most scientists and then when they publish these results it’s like throwing gasoline on a fire for all the creation nuts out there. This makes scientist and any objective thinking person a bit nervous. Proof is the hostility and total non-sequitur answers I get when I say spontaneous life makes no sense. So here it is Jeff, I understand what the hooligans running the Roman church did to Copernicus and Galileo, I am not the Roman church and questioning the origin of life is not creationism. If we are to advance science at all we have to stop being so damned defensive about questioning our own discoveries, otherwise we make science another Islamo-fascist religion, complete with dogma, and radically held beliefs (look what that nut Al Gore is doing to climatology!). So you, Happy, Sat1 and Eaty get yer panties unbunched. This thread is supposed to be about Sarah Palin, and that woman absolutely rocks!
She has managed to create a huge national interest in politics that rivals Obama, who by the way is a professed Christian, which means he believes in the resurrection of dead people. Otherwise he’s the biggest liar on the planet and he just says he’s a Christian to get votes. Hmmm, that just begs the question, if Obama isn’t a creation/resurrection believing religious nut, like Palin and he only lies to get religious vote, then one must wonder what lies he tells to get the Atheist vote or the anti-war vote. Care to speculate a little on that?

9/04/2008 11:02 PM  
Anonymous Hillary Fan Against Palin said...

That didn't make sense. I meant Palin's anti-abortion stance rather.

9/05/2008 12:15 AM  
Anonymous Don Jose de la Guerra y Noreiga said...

Well...good morning niece...I certainly agree with you that Piper Palin is fantastic.

I am not so sure however that Biden is going to gobble up Sarah Palin...Title IX has been in force quite a while now and I don't know about you but I watched the Olympics...

Biden has to stay clear of sports metaphors, Sarah Palin is very good a the double entrendre shot.

9/05/2008 6:21 AM  
Anonymous Shoreline Shark said...

Yesterday's comment under my name wasn't from me. It was probably from happy programmer to "teach me a lesson" about registering a name, since I just made fun of him for doing that.

Happy programmer, please troll under your own name.

9/05/2008 1:10 PM  
Anonymous I love Sarah Palin said...

I love Sarah Palin.
She knows as much about foreign policy as Obama, and has much more administrative experience. Obama has never run anything. Talk about putting lipstick on a pig. if the shoe fits wear it!

9/17/2008 5:11 PM  

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