Intimidation and the Assembly Race
There's some talk around Jerry Robert's article last week and what Council Member Das WIlliams said about "feeling intimidated" in his possible race for the Assembly against Susan Jordan in the primary. Much do about nothing? It seems the Jordan people think it says something....
Labels: Das Williams, Jerry Roberts, Susan Jordan
posted by Sara De la Guerra | 4/20/2009 07:20:00 AM
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Sara- I'm not a "jordan person" but I do know an 'untruth' when I see one. The statement to Jerry that is most disturbing about Das being caught in his lie is: "He wanted to “clarify” his remarks, he added, saying that he had described imprecisely his conversations with Jordan and Nava. There wasn’t a three- way meeting, he said. "
Now we have to add the tortured phrase "described imprecisely" to the lexicon of politicians caught in their own web......
Das is acting like a cornered cat. Now that term limits, and political opportunities leave him with limited options, he'll to ANYTHING to snatch some sort of elected office.
The main problem with Das is that he lacks integrity. This personality flaw is woven into his fabric, and is evident in everything he does.
Das-iz ambition and impulsiveness is starting to leak out.
Silly and getting silly-yer.
If Das feels intimidated by Susan Jordan how the hell is he going to go toe to toe with the powerful special interests in Sacramento? He will be eaten alive up there. You don't send a boy to do a mans job!
at this point----why would anyone but the newest and greenest santa barbaran believe ANYTHING Mr. Das says. and if he agrees with something how will we know he's not just feeling "intimidated"...poor guy!
Why do I feel like this post is being used? Beware of trolls in the deep, dark night.
"Beware of trolls in the deep, dark night."
Don't worry Sara, It's always Dawn somewhere.
Das's problem is that he decided to become a professional politician with no real world experience. I'm not sure if it's altuism or egotism but I am sure he needs to put his head down and show some real accomplishment not just the latest in fad rhetoric.
Jordan is just a tool of the the Dem party machine just like Capps and Nava. A one trick pony a best, trading off her relationships. The environment is not the only important issue in Cali, not even close to the most important. The PXP thing is especially egregeous in that she didn't accomplish anything but just killed a deal. The big presumption is PXP would renig on it's promise. Now she wants to take "credit" as some sort of hero? There's a lot of us who believe she screwed up a good deal for political grandstanding. Beotch.
I sure hope someone nails her and her do nothing husband down on Budgets, Public Employee Unions, Immigration, Taxes, Graft, anti business and all the other ills afflicting Cali not just No Oil Ever crowd that runs around in their SUVs and 5000 sq ft houses...
Sad thing about Das: good environmental instincts and, sometimes, positions and courage but limited by a weak core value of integrity. Too much of Das's political "career" has been and is about Das and not whom he says he wants to represent.
Sad, too, that he is just not bright enough. This was a stupid mistake --- and it is simply not forgivable for a someone who wants to represent area voters in one of the higher political offices, state assemblyman, to lie.
Tiny lie, maybe, to say he met with both Pedro Nava and Susan Jordan at the same meeting, but a lie, nevertheless. "Things got confused" - well, lol! (I hope that Jerry Roberts taped this conversation and Das DID say that!)
Sara-you crack me up! Isn't that how Blogabarbara got its "start"---as a backdoor for campaigning? The only time it seems to bother you is when one of your buddies is targeted.....
Das is wildly popular in Ventura/Oxnard. This may be all that matters.
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Das is wildly popular in Ventura/Oxnard? Not when we are through with him! LOL
Das Williams left the city council meeting early today and then was seen at the same time gladhanding the Teamsters union members at the MTD transit center.
That's creepy People are Noticing...
I watched part of today's council meeting this afternoon. Williams was in usual form and very straightforward, clear and substantiated his opinions. He isn't afraid politely to call people out on their b.s. either. Sometimes it boils down to opinion and process rather than narrowly formed "facts."
SDLG's blog being used by trolls? Beware of trolls in bright daylight as well. Many of these trolls are probably grumpy from golfing all day.
What's "creepy", SDLG, that people are noticing (or People are Noticing) or that Das should leave the council early and be spotted at the MTD station?
I think it's creepy that Das is claimed to be "wildly popular" in Ventura County. Could/would anyone substantiate that? And, if it's so, why it's so? He's certainly mentioned on the SB CC dais enough times about working in Ventura re Wal-Mart; maybe they have not seen him in action as much as we have. He also said a month or so ago about having a cut in salary in the non-profit he runs (but I don't think he does run a non-profit.)
The only miscommunication between Jerry and I was that I said I met with Pedro and I met with Susan. He thought that meant together. It wasn't. It was seperate. Why is this a big deal?
OH, classic--so now Das is BLAMING JERRY!?
aaahhhh, thanks for clearing it up Das---it was JERRY's mistake, not yours. gotcha.
"Why is this a big deal?" is precisely why it's a big deal.
It's "between Jerry and me" - I is the subject of a sentence not the object of a preposition.
As for the substance, it's a big deal in the same way as character is a big deal in politics. We voters choose the representative and if our representative seems to be out primarily for himself, then that's not the representative we want. Unfortunately, in the last 6 plus years, Das has grown more arrogant, less willing to listen to others and much more willing to blame others for his own missteps. That's why it's a big deal. He's become his own representative, not ours.
Too bad - but he's had his moment in the political sun and it is time (or will be next year) for him to move on and get some experience in the real world. He is no longer helping the causes which he (and many of us) believe in.
I received an e-mail today from Mike Stoker...he is seriously thinking of running against Das or Susan for the Assembly seat although he seems to think it will be Das. I agree.
I would pay to see Mike rip Das to shreds in a debate.
The return of 4-1 Mike?
STOKER!!!
For the record, my interview notes show that Mr. Williams stated he "met with Pedro and Susan." That said, I take him at his word that he did not intend to be misleading. In my experience, political reporters sometimes write more for their sources than for their readers; my reason for writing about this, in a column item labeled "Inside Baseball," was to provide transparency for Independent readers about a behind-the-scenes episode that had become the subject of sometimes heated political discussion among insiders. For what it's worth, the issue of "intimidation" seems to me a more intriguing political matter than the meeting or meetings in which it purportedly took place.
It is time at last for Mike Stoker. He has seasoned and reasoned over time and experience. Das could learn some good lessons from him.
Yes, Mike Stoker would now at last finally be very welcomed. We have burned out on our progressive liberals.
The tides have turned as our formerly beloved progressive liberals betrayed every noble vision we had for them and showed themselves to be irresponsible party hacks committed only to their own re-election and special interest money.
Yeah Stoker dosent he work for Greka?
Im already probably skipping the assembly race for voting if Das is the nominee, but him versus Stoker self interest vs Greka's boy..I might still stay home. Why cant we have some MIndy Lorenz style Green or any flavor of Independent again so I can skip both parties?
Seriously I couldnt get excited by Hannah Beth vs Lurch so just skipped that election. Das or Susan just cant see either the local Democrats machine is turning out candidates that are about as exciting as Kerry was nationally.
We have a providence inspired endorsement from AD35 who would pay to see a debate. Following in the footsteps of the resurrected?
The Mike Stoker for Assembly comment is what this race will be about....lies, labels, name calling, rhetoric and hyperbole.
McDermott, you are out of date. Stoker has seasoned a lot. Stoker in his younger years sounded like every other brash, young, over-eager politician with no experience or track record. A lot like a few others we could mention.
But he has mellowed a lot and is a serious and welcome contender. I hope he runs because everyone is sick of what the progressive Democrats have done to ruin this town and this state.
Jerry is right---- it's the "i felt intimidated" comment from Das that is most disturbing---- knowing Das, what was probably most intimidating was the thought of being faced with telling the truth to Pedro and Susan. So, being Das, he did not, and then trolled around to find people who would endorse his bullshit and make his announcement. Why on earth would we want to elect a man to state office who is admittedly "intimidated" by people he consider(ed) friends
Chup pup,
So you couldn't get "get excited" about HBJ? And you claim to be a Green at Heart?
So now we have Strickland.
You're just the person i'll get my political advise from.
LC
Oh. So Stoker has transformed from brash to what? A moderate? I can't wait to be wooed. Stoker perhaps can run an above board campaign while surrogates help out with the "brash" dirty work. Republicans can learn and win (see Strickland campagin for MOP.) You know, name calling and re-branding with falsehoods and spin. As Stoker rebrands Greka as a Clean Oil Company will he also rebrand himself as a clean politician. Then later Stoker can vote the far-right party line.
Let's make sure we keep everything sorted out. Susan Jordan, wife of current assemblyman Pedro Nava together could not do a darn thing about shutting down Greka Oil.
Mike Stoker was merely an occasional paid spokesperson for Greka Oil. Who is the more culpable? Nava and Jordan, of course.
Mike must be doing one heck of a job speaking up for Greka because Nava/Jordan for all their enviro-creds could not do a darn thing about shutting it down.
Mike gets my vote. He gets results. And he can play hardball. It is time for more hardball politics ala Stoker style up in Sacramento than another self-promoting union lackie tree hugger who has no record of accomplishment.
Das Williams clarified that he met with Jordan and Nava at different times. He still me with them. Who Cares. I don’t think I’d vote for Williams or Jordan. But Jordan makes me a little sick. Why the wife of Nava is the best candidate for the job has me confused? We don’t even like Nava. So she’s backed by Sacramento money. We don’t like Sacramento money. Sigh.
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