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Wednesday, December 07, 2005

Wrangle? Orchestrate?

These sound like words that could describe her man at De La Guerra's behavior over the last few months in relation to the City Council and Mayor race. Yes -- let's hear from the candidates but a simple press release from Capps does not a winner make. What this shows is really how important the second district is...

Already this morning we've seen some posts from our readers in another thread -- here's some highlites from their posts to start the discussion:

From Anonymous:
I agree with that editorial: let the voters see who's available, what the positions are, not the premature endorsements of friends of Janet Wolfe and her attorney husband, Harvey. Further shades of Rose and HER attorney spouse.

There are too many status quo establishment types on board her campaign ship. What, exactly, (other than the school board), has she done or said for the Goleta Valley - and the County issues! - over the recent years?


From Anonymous:
the supervisor race is not a primary. it is an election that will be decided by a runoff if nobody get 50.01% or more votes...do you not all see Secord chuckling in the background? Wolf or Das can both beat Dan one on one but not after a bruising election where one of them limps into a run off while Dan sticks to the high road and coasts on his voter registration coup....

29 Comments:

Blogger The Santa Barbara Review said...

The blog, "SB Second District 05" has apparently shut down all comments except for team members because of the inability of commentators to carry on a civil discussion.
This is unfortunate but understandable.
We need as many blogs operating on these issues as possible.

In my on blog concerning the matters of the second district, I enforce a strict deletion policy.
You call somebody a jackass, you get zapped.

I recently inserted a link in my blog to Blogabara thinking that my readers would enjoy this site.
But things have to calm down or all the comments and the links will be shut down. That’s the current trend.
Think about it.

12/07/2005 12:37 PM  
Blogger David Pritchett said...

Nothing inherintly is wrong with pasting in an editorial or article, preferably just excerpts. BUT such a post needs some additional commentary or analysis for why it is meaningful.

The County Supervisorial election deserves heavy blog treatment and maybe its own seperate blog, but so far the seconddistrict05 stuff still seems redundant with what is available at blogabarbara.

Worse, simple partisan advocacy by Anonomyouses does not serve anyone too much at all, except to justify billable time for a political consultant. Cursing and name-calling is a waste of space and time.

12/07/2005 1:22 PM  
Blogger Sara De la Guerra said...

I've been thinking a lot about these issues lately and have come to the conclusion that unfounded allegations such as the recent one concerning a council member and planning commissioners does not need to be kept on Blogabarbara. Name calling doesn't either.

It is possible with Blogger to "moderate" comments by receiving them first but this could be a big job on some days with some issues -- I'd rather stay away from that if possible.

I'm willing to take input from our readers if they think something is inappropriate as well as the fact that I might miss something too. There are times, however, like the other day with "funky town" where someone was offended and it went on for hours because I was unavailable. I'm happy to restate something if someone takes offense (in this situation I didn't fully understand as there was no intent on my part) -- but also need help from anonmouses in keeping their posts clean and civil as well.

12/07/2005 1:36 PM  
Blogger David Pritchett said...

The allegation again about a councilmember influencing a Planning Commissioner were made by two planning commissioners during the meeting held on Nov.30. The Commissoner remarks were sort of inuendo or jabs by the commissioners whose vote did not prevail.

Something happened here, but the bigger issue seems SO WHAT, as what is illegal or inapproproate about a councilmember pitching an idea to a subordinate commissioner. If actually illegal per California Meetings law (Brown Act, etc.), then someone should make that clear, free of spin for a change.

12/07/2005 3:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am continually amazed at people who can come up with a legal rationale to support their actionable writings.

The point is not whether your are right or wrong, it is not whether you can afford it. The point is whether it is worth it.

12/07/2005 3:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee guys, don't get decent all of a sudden. Aren't you the "her man at De La Guerra",the "Iyatollah", "the Monster McGrew" folks? If you didn't catch it, the recent elections took away Santa Barbara's right to act like we are some special breed when it comes to public discourse. Sorry, but it's gone. Welcome to the New World.

Syd Camore Canyon

12/07/2005 5:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the by, if you complain about the inaccesiblity of the subscription based online News Press and yet base your blog entirely on News Press stories why would mind if someone posts News Press stories for free? With or without commentary, isn't that poster helping out folks who can't afford the online paper? That complaint doesn't resonate with me. Also anonymous, or streetfighter or Carlos Borbon, etc, everyone's( with a few notable exceptions) wearing a mask at this dance. Please don't wear your nom de blog like a badge of courage.

Yours at the Masquerade Ball,

Syd Camore Canyon

12/07/2005 6:02 PM  
Blogger The Santa Barbara Review said...

Well now, it seems "SB Second District 05" has officially shut down.

This is the stupid result of immaturity.
Not on the part of SB Second District 05, but those who freely took advantage of it.

We needed that blog. We need BlogaBarbara. We need a host of these sites to make this picture complete.

In the end, it is up to us, the web hosts, to make this happen. Sara et. al, and to the rest, we need to make it happen.

12/07/2005 7:41 PM  
Blogger Sara De la Guerra said...

Syd,

I'm not complaining. Valerio -- who isn't involved in managing this blog -- was I believe making the point that shorter is sweeter and it is better to paraphrase and offer analysis than to cut and paste a whole article like what was done this morning.

Overall I tend to agree -- although sometimes the whole content of an article might be useful. Most of us probably read the NP online or in paper format anyway - so no need to repeat the information.

Blogger IDs which show up in names people use are useful for idetifying who is saying what -- even without true identity. No, they shouldn't be used to hide behind, but they are useful in keeping track of what someone has to say. Theya re freely available at blogger.com...

SBR -- we're staying where we are. Thanks for the support and I agree -- the more the merrier.

12/07/2005 9:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well now, it seems "SB Second District 05" has officially shut down.

It shut down because it did not force the Das out of the race as the powers to be wanted. People in support of Das and Secord voiced opinions beyond the follow the Rose transplant plan.

Blogs are tough and honest. And this blog has been a tough, ugly at times blog attacking the news press, falcone and others with "her man at De La Guerra" ,the "Iyatollah", "the Monster McGrew"

The attack dogs can bark but cannot take the bite back. The "SB Second District 05" blogs failure is evidence.

If you bark and threaten be ready for a bite.

The difference with the Rose Wolfe fan club is that they want to attack but cannot take it back.

Das can dish and take it. How can we expect someone to take on the FIrestone north county team without getting tough and willing to bite or fend off a bite.

Politics is a contact support and Das is a contact sport player who will stand up for us as the Rose transplant's bloom fades.

We need a second district blog or we can do it here. But let's get some thicker skin.

12/09/2005 8:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK Das, then start your own......

12/10/2005 9:27 AM  
Blogger spiritsofsb said...

As the person who put up and then took down the second district blog, the accusations above are but another example of why civil, mature discourse seems to be impossible these days in Santa Barbara.

Personal attacks seem to be the name of the game. Between the attack dogs on these blogs, and the attack dogs at the Santa Barbara News Press, we seem to be setting ourselves back so far.

The macho poster above (two above) uses phrases like: "Politics is a contact support [I hope but can't be sure he meant to say 'sport']" and the equally chilling "getting tough and willing to bite or fend off a bite".

Don't make the Cheney-like error of thinking that choosing to remove oneself from a childlike,bullying quagmire exemplified by statements such as the above is somehow surrender. It is a specific decision NOT to surrender to such insanity.

12/10/2005 9:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the 2nd District Blog came down because it was boring, dumb and frequented by people with an agenda, not interest in a discussion. These blogs are frequented by the same people we see at the different parties, rallies and meetings - nothing new is being said here. It is becoming just a place to anonymously start political rumors.

12/10/2005 11:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hmm. the last post really sums up current SB politics...."boring and dumb" and "nothing being said here" expressed by someone who purportedly has "interest in a discussion".

sad, so sad.

12/10/2005 2:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Das does have his own blog. And at times he takes serious hits on his blog and lives with it. Das has been under attack for weeks now and he is not whining about it or taking down his blog and going home.

I am not sure what "spirit of's" definition of civil and mature is but I have a feeling that it is "agree with everything I say and Rose says." Sorry. First it is unrealistic. Second, having a debate and the "Politics is a contact sport." statement are both true and factual. If a candidate cannot stand up to strong debates and questioning then that candidate cannot stand up to the powers to be in this county. And quite frankly that is what worries me about Mrs. Wolfe - smart, nice and kind. But like "spiritof" Mrs. Wolfe a bit naive about the game of politics and government. Government is also a contact sport. Does anyone think the development interest and north county plays soft. If so it is no wonder Firestone walked away with an easy primary victory last year. We need to win this time and we need to have thick skin. If "spiritof" wants a kind and one way discussion there are a number of nations that do not allow debate or tough discussions - try Cuba or Iran. If we want to win this time we need someone able and willing to play a contact sport.

12/10/2005 6:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

enough with the football analogies guys; by the way, when and where was the "strong debate and questioning" held for second district? didn't know there had been such a forum yet;


by the way---"nice and kind" is such a condescending misogynistic platitude.and obviously spoken by someone who never worked directly with or run up against Janet Wolf when she was on the School Board; Maybe Das wants to lose his feminist/WPC support. If so, he and his minions are doing a fine job from what I hear. How quickly and thoroughly he has bitten the hands that fed and supported him for years.

12/10/2005 7:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like Das was going to get the WPC support - that is a joke.

12/10/2005 9:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not sure how Susan Rose has supported Das for years. If anything it has been the other way. He fought the Marshall recall and fought Goleta cityhood that has left the county and city of Goleta a mess all for Rose and Marshall. I never saw Rose of Marshall going to work for Das two years ago? Das has been on his own and will survive these attacks by the old guard to control what needs to be done. As an old guard I can only imagine if Bill Wallace came around as a young man now and how the WPC would be on him and the old guard saying he has not earned his stripes. WIthout Wallace our county would look like Houston. And without Das may look like Orange County.

12/10/2005 10:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The problem is that Das is not Bill Wallace. Wallace served on the Goleta Water Board for a number of years before running for supervisor. It is nice to have choices but Das is too brash and self centered and Wolfe is too Rose. We are going for Joe the Guzz. He is smart and can be trusted. He is in public safety so can attract support that way. He is the long shot in this race but is the only really one who we trust to protect us from 20 homes an acre.

12/10/2005 11:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah...public safety always throws it's support behind three time loser candidates looking to run for even higher office.

ever seen Joe speak publicly? he looks and sounds angry and unstable. even fellow neighborhood activists would look for someone who is electable and more polished.

joe is going to try and hold people's feet to the fire on neighborhood issues to force candidates to pander. if das gets out of the race, joe becomes even more of a longshot.

12/11/2005 7:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When did public safety ever support Joe before? Given three tries they rejected him every time. Being in Public safety doesn't guarantee election support. Ask Ret. FF's Joe Appleton, Fred Vega and various ex-cops who have run over the years.

12/11/2005 9:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about Daraka in the paper today? The picture in his bedroom with V. Lenin in the background will play real well in the new Santa Barbara. Thanks a bunch Josh. Keep him and Das out front and you are giving Davies and Secord early Christmas presents. There is a time to shut up and neither Das or Daraka seem to believe that we can live without daily comment from them. Submerge the ego and concentrate on the work, voter reg and turnout. How can we miss you went you won't go away?

12/11/2005 9:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea----the Lenin backdrop really says it all.

Clearly Darka wanted to send a message---and he did. So, bye-bye, Daraka.

12/11/2005 12:00 PM  
Anonymous First District Streetfighter said...

The bedroom photo of Lenin was of Daraka at age 15, so cut his some slack there. What did the old bloggers here have on their bedroom wall at that age... Farah and Travolta, as if those images are better?

What is weirder is that Daraka does not even know how to drive a car. Not owning a car and being a bus rider is fine, but not even knowing how to drive at all?!?!

The former is good and populist, while the latter is just weird and unappointable and unelectable.

12/11/2005 2:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Public Safety endorese Joe in his first race for city council.

12/13/2005 2:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i got $20 that says they don't make that mistake again. and i don't think he got both public safety endorsements - just fire.

12/13/2005 7:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

actually just police, not fire. spent a pile of tv money on Joe - first big effort by POA.

would not waste $20 - Joe will not get endorsement but will talk public safety

12/13/2005 8:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe being in the race hurts Dan.
Das didn't do well in the 2nd district when they could vote for three - how can he win when they only vote for one?

12/16/2005 9:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

he can't; he won't; and we all lose.

12/20/2005 7:40 PM  

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