CPR and Dr. Dan
Gee -- what a surreal story today. I can't imagine Dr. Secord lying about something like this. If you want at it -- do so here, but please show restraint and civility. I deleted a comment in the other post earlier -- let's keep on topic!
Most importantly, were any BB readers there? AND PLEASE -- no fake stories for political gain. :) I know none of you would do that but....
Most importantly, were any BB readers there? AND PLEASE -- no fake stories for political gain. :) I know none of you would do that but....
posted by Sara De la Guerra | 1/28/2006 05:11:00 PM
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Does anyone really think that Dan Secord, who already has a long career as a physician, would think, "Hey here is a great time, in front of dozens of witnesses, to claim credit for something they will obviously be able to see that I haven't done? What a great political opportunity for me."
Of course he didn't lie. As other people at the party read this story someone will come forward and confirm Secords version of events.Someone else will see it differently. This a classic Rashomon moment. Chaos, excitement, life and death and everyone there saw something different colored by their own personal perspective and bias. Be real careful here. It was truly someone's life and death at stake. Please let something be more important than an election.
Dr. Dan is SUPERMAN! Giving CPR thru the nose and then figuring out maybe the mouth would be a better shot! Gee Sara..it's hard to be civil sometimes..as Ambrose Bierce said..politeness is the most acceptable hypocrisy!
carpman
you could tell from his initial comments that he was hoping to take credit for playing a role, but uncomfortable with taking all the credit. and he has since backpedaled even further. I say it should be left alone but he sure did get some mileage out of the first story. THe media giveth and the media taketh away.
CPR threw the nose and mouth is appropriate with a baby -- which is where Dr. Dan has his expertise. I agree with 5:46 pm Anon that the event was likely filtered by different people in different ways. We also don't know if we would act perfectly in a situation like that.
Was there - sitting at a table next to another News Press reporter who saw what I did. Secord was first there - under the table giving CPR and stepped aside when the specialist got there.
The more amazing thing than the horrible reporting is that the victim of the heart attack was at Janet Wolf's table. Wolf saw the whole thing - Dr. Dan at her feet as she jumped up and out of the way - Dr. Dan helps - she does not..
It will be interesting to see how long Ms. Wolf will stay quiet. Her integrity and fair play is now on display to all who saw this and thousands who now thanks to the two news press storys and the correction to come will now know.
Janet we are watching and waiting.
This is not a filtered problem with one person seeing one thing and another seeing somethng else. Niles has a very personal issue with Secord and made up a story for the sake of it and Tom Schultz is not the most responsible reporter - all in all a sad day for all but the man who will live thanks to Secord and other MD's who helped. Was the man really at Wolf's table?
Sara----take a look at the 946 anon----is this sort of hearsay for political gain really what this blog is supposed to be about; like many folks recently, I'm about to tune out for good
Political hearsay is opinion - Wolf being at the table or not is fact. So 10:20 am was she at the table of the man who had the attack or not? That is the question.
Agreed -- and we need to be careful with this. 9:46 Anon may have been there but I would take it with a grain of salt until confirmed -- 9:46, let's pull back on the 'watching and waiting' part. Someone's life was involved and this isn't a referendum on leadership.
Everyone acts differently in a crisis and I think I'd get out of a doctor's way to allow him or her to perform CPR as well.
Tuning out for good? I don't consider this hearsay other than the table seating is a probable truth that hasn't been confirmed. Again, we shouldn't blame Janet Wolfe for backing off -- take a look, most of us would too.
Ask John Davies...I'm sure he'll set us all straight.
Agree with Sara.
Not up to Janet to rescue - I would have backed off and made room also.
But that is not the issue of my ealier post. The issue is did the situation take place at her table or not - did she see the whole thing or not? That is the only question. No one expected her to come to rescue especially at this event, but she could admit that she saw it or not.
You are all talking as though an investigation has occurred and everyone has been interviewed. That hasn't and should not occur because, as someone posted above, everyone's perspective is different and no crime was committed. Different people came to the aid of an ill person. This was obviously a chaotic event, but it wasn't the Kennedy assasination! No one is compelled to give testimony. It somehow became a news story and now has become politicized. But go ahead call Geraldo, Greta and Nancy. Maybe the victim was a young blonde. They'll run with it.
This is the most ridiculous series of posts I have ever witnessed; talk about scraping the bottom for whatever grist might materialize....
Anonymous said...
You are all talking as though an investigation has occurred and everyone has been interviewed.
I agree 100%.
Yet the News Press first seeks out a story and then attacks the person they sought out and they do not have the facts - no investigation but a irresponsible News Press story.
To accuse someone of grandstanding when they did not seek or want the media coverage and then attack them for not doing what the media reported they did and fail to investigate does no one any good what so ever. I find it sort of compelling to find out if the poor chap who had the problem really was sitting and Wolf's table. How ironic. Also how said if it is true and she has not said a word at all. Janet tell it's not true.
Talked to a physician directly involved. Secord did the CPR briefly and then got out of the way for the specialists. Not all of the direct participants were interviewed or even called. For Secord, no good deed goes unpunished.... Niles owes Secord an apology.
Niles and the News Press owes Dan Secord and all the readers a huge apology asap. And then I also wonder how much Janet Wolf sitting by watchng the whole thing and not saying a word, which will come out will damage her campaign - no courage or integiry if she continues to sit there.
wow what an incredible SPIN!!! somehow finding a way to turn this ridiculous manufactured drama around to attack the only female in the race. classic.
Okay - not sure how gender has anything to do with this, esp. since the first specialist to help was a women. But I guess anytime anyone says anything challenging about Wolf it will be all about gender - interesting,
So take the comment above that said - - -
"And then I also wonder how much Janet Wolf sitting by watchng the whole thing and not saying a word, which will come out will damage her campaign - no courage or integiry if she continues to sit there."
- - - - And lets edit it and say it this way with Das instead of Janet (if it was true - which it is not - but humor me) and it would be okay because Das is not a women? - - - pretty clear it has nothing to do with gender - see here - - - - -
"And then I also wonder how much (das williams) sitting by watchng the whole thing and not saying a word, which will come out will damage (his) campaign - no courage or integiry if (he) continues to sit there."
Now please tell us how asking Wolf to step forward is gender bias. Please, please tell us.
The comments on this blog are impressive. I get the same kind of satisfaction from reading the national enquirer.
Train wreck anyone?
Not to be off topic: apparently Janet was there, saw the whole thing and didn't speak up about it. It seems that the character smear on Dr. Dan has karmically shifted to more appropriate parties.
Bottom line is, the News Press ought to be finishing this story soon and Niles will probably want to retract his personal attack.
It'll be interesting to see if Janet surfaces in the coming week... if she waits too long things could get uncomfortable.
In the next issue of BlogaBarbara: Where is Bat Boy!? was be abducted by aliens who looked like Jesus? These and other less fascinating questions half answered!
The point is---no one is dissecting Das' every move or lack of move; its as if he's off limits........and somehow some poor soul's heart attack becomes an opportunity to undermine other candidates for..........god only knows what.
Das' fans need to stop manufacturing stories and try to explain why their man should quit his City Council seat.
It really looks like Davies machine is working overtime to pull a rabbit out of a hat and shift the focus from Secord's exxagerations to the non-issue of who else was there.
again, can we please move on and talk about real issues???? the average 2nd District citizen isn't caught up in the drama, gossip and maneuvering.
I can't believe there is a near tragedy that I wasn't present at, that I can't comment on intelligently because everyone has different stories, and somehow 11:20 anonymous can still blame everything on me. What else is my fault? War in the Middle East?
Just wait, the election of Hamas in Palestine will be revealed as the fault of Das Williams of Santa Barbara.
More importantly per the NewsPress article, just why would Bacara not produce or reveal for an interview the food server who initially found the cardiac patient/victim?? Why would Bacara not want anyone to know who that food server employee is?
Hey Das, but one thing you CAN comment on is---why are you abandoning your City Council seat, and campaigining for new office??? many of us who supported you are just a tad p.o.'ed........stop painting yourself as a victim based on some ridiculous blog; aren't there better things a City Councilperson can do with his time?
Everybody knows that if Das kept on City Council for the full term and another after, then that guy at Bacara would not have suffered cardiac arrest. It is sooooo obviously a fact.
more amateur analysis from the Das for President of the World camp
I have known Dan Secord and his family for many years, and I can say that one thing he is not is a liar. The first posts here were spot on- different versions of events and a public figure caught in the middle of it. As for a double standard in coverage of candidates, I'm really not convinced. With only three or four reporters covering a race, it is likely that some slants will emerge in the coverage. However, I see no evidence that any one candidate is getting a free ride. Does someone have some concrete evidence otherwise?
The ABC's of CPR.. for adults: airway, breathing (pinch nose, blow into mouth..not blow into nose! GROSS!) and circulation. This is why I don't go out to dinner anymore!
Carpman
Dear readers of Blogabarbara,
The victim of the heart attack was, indeed sitting at her table. When she saw what happened she called for a certain Dr. Harris to come over (apparently someone she knew). She did not see Dr. Secord but said that didn't mean he wasn't among those who helped.
Perhaps those who are so eager to protect Dr. Secord and his reputation should spend more time defending him and less time attacking Janet and Das?
Sounds like Janet did the right thing, Dr. Dan did the right thing, and Das wasn't even there.
But they all end up being attacked by people on this sicko blog--when a life was at stake, and saved...when in most cases the man would have otherwise died.
I'm going out of a limb here: but I think all four candidates are good people who mean well by their community.
I hope Dr. Secord, Ms. Wolf, Dr. Harris Gelberg (not "Dr. Harris"), and the other physicians and community volunteers (and, particularly, the mystery waiter) are around if I'm basically dead from heart failure, but can be astoundingly revived by people who at the same time are raising money for a terrible disease by attending a charity dinner.
I probably wouldn't attack them then either--any of them. I might instead thank them.
In fact, in those circumstances of life and death, I wouldn't even be particular about how Dr. Dan chose to practice CPR... I certainly wouldn't make fun of him for it.
As for Mr. Niles, he sounds like some of those who post here....but I'm really glad his wife was at the dinner.
Some of the above posts actually make extreme right wing radio wackos sound somewhat responsibile.
Dear Anon 9:01pm
Are you janet?
Do you speak for her?
Do you see through her eyes?
If the answer is "yes", to any of these questions please continue giving us your "facts."
Secord does not need defending. His reputation is defense enough against these lies.
As noted above, Secord is finding out no good deed goes unpunished...
Too bad.
Niles clearly owes Dan Secord an apology, but I doubt he has the guts to deliver, or to even admit in probably very hectic circumstances he might have missed something. Niles' wife was certainly more gracious, and far more critical to the lifesaving effort.
I think it's too bad Sara started this by implying strongly that Dr. Secord faked the story for political gain in her original post above. Let's see: land use; aging roads; mass transit; hundreds of millions in unfunded pension debt; landfill issues; Gaviota---any other more substantial issues around tyo discuss? Or is it just more fun going after someone trying to save another person's life?
I can see how you could read my post as sarcasm -- but I really meant it.
I really can't imagine Dr. Secord lying about something like that and the story was very surreal.
It's interesting where you went with that.
As for what Blogabarbara covers -- if you want to create your own blog, please do at blogger.com -- I'll be happy to link to it.
P.S. You might also read all the comments -- I mentioned yesterday that someone's life was involved and defended the good Dr. and Ms. Wolfe by pointing out that if I was her, I would get out of the way too.
Sara also said...
"AND PLEASE -- no fake stories for political gain. :) I know none of you would do that but...."
I guess that's sarcasm, but ....
can we all just get along? a day of mourning or at least respect for what happened at the Goleta P.O.?
It was only Das's fault in so much as the victim had just read his plans for a massive utility tax increase.
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