What was on that tie?
It seems the News-Press thought Council Member Williams had a fox on his tie but our very own frequent commenter Valerio de Cacique says it was a wolf....hmmm. Thanks for the eagle eye Valerio.
Let's put our posts about the council member's announcement and the 2nd district race in here so we don't get other posts off topic. Please watch the name calling and mean spiritedness. Don't drink and blog. I am going to start deleting mean posts more frequently -- we need a little order here.
This comment on Susan Rose was interesting: "need people who are not going to equivocate." Dictionary.com says it means "To be deliberately ambiguous or unclear in order to mislead or to avoid committing oneself to anything definite." You got your word for the day from the newspaper!
I might have said "we don't always agree on the issues"....
Let's put our posts about the council member's announcement and the 2nd district race in here so we don't get other posts off topic. Please watch the name calling and mean spiritedness. Don't drink and blog. I am going to start deleting mean posts more frequently -- we need a little order here.
This comment on Susan Rose was interesting: "need people who are not going to equivocate." Dictionary.com says it means "To be deliberately ambiguous or unclear in order to mislead or to avoid committing oneself to anything definite." You got your word for the day from the newspaper!
I might have said "we don't always agree on the issues"....
posted by Sara De la Guerra | 1/18/2006 10:22:00 PM
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that's Valerio, EL Cacique...
The only comments about Supervisor Rose during the Das party at More Mesa were remarks in direct response to baiting questions. Unfortunately, Das-man bit on that equivocative bait, and McManigal from NewsPress made it into a fish tale.
"Will the Wolf survive...?"
Ooops, sorry for the typo -- sounds like I should have gone to the press conference. I guess the News-Press has moved the reporting from Molina to McManigal?
Molina covers the City, Mc Manigal the County. Maybe McManigal, like many others at the NP, was embarassed by the fawning coverage Das recieved from Molina. No more puff pieces.
Just look at the NewsPress photo, either print version or at their web site. Definitely a WOLF, although the ears are a rather big in that illustration on the tie.
Molina writes "fawning coverage" and "puff pieces"?!?!
another 3-martini lunch before 'Anonymous' drank and blogged
Apparently anyone who criticizes the Das is a drunk. Such a progressive atttitude.
woff or fox
Anyone who thinks Molina the NewsPress reporter writes fawning coverage and puff pieces about any City Council members obviously is drunk, or worse.
But why both Molina and McManigal were there at the Das announcement at More Mesa is more telling about how big this story is, and/or how strong or weak one of those reporters is.
Baloney. Josh just can't stay away.
Sober in Goleta
Josh is on a mission to write as many Das stories as he can before the campaign is over. His latest will be on the split in the progressive community.
Here's an idea, Josh: write about how Das plans to justify spending his time as a Councilmember running for another public office;
Name one time Josh wrote something that was not true. When complaining about the newspress i have nothing bad to say about either josh or barney, especially since they are overshadowed by the blind inconsistancy spewing off the editorial pages.
Sara, except for letting the 6:12 p.m. post slip through, congratulations on your good judgment in deleting mean or off-topic posts. It's a good New Year's resolution that increases the value of this community dramatically.
Both Molina and McManigal do a fine job. Overall, compare the quality of the News-Press--including the editorial page -- to any newspaper of similar size in any other city or state.
It's a Norwegian Elkhound.
Great debate tonight. Despite a few slips, the candidates all had a pretty good command of the issues for this early in the election. Couldn't see Das' tie, since I listened on the radio, but good public service that voters could listen live to the candidate's voices from their homes and draw their own conclusions. We'll see how the local press reports it in the morning, but per the above comments McManigal, Molina and Armstrong remain better writers than most of the authors posting here.
Das was dismal. Dr. Dan was Dr. Dan.
Janet was solid and smart.
Much as I hate to say it, the real 'winner' of this debate was Guzzardi.
6:21 Anon -- I've been away for a few hours. 6:12 pm is close to being pitched. You may not agree with me all the time but I appreciate anyone pointing out ones I may miss or that I, at first, didn't see as objectionable.
As for 6:21 pm - My experience is that Josh does a good job, Barney doesn't do his homework all the time, and there is some inconsistency coming from the editorial pages. Maybe it's the word "spew" that doesn't sit right with me.
Debate:
Guzzardi came across well - which surprised me.
Secord seemed dottering, connected with the crowd a few times.
Wolf - dry, literal in responses, forgettable. Also, get some republican endorsements or refrain from listing all the Dem endorsements in a setting like this.
Williams - way too self-conscious, frowned a lot, blew it on timing his responses, shouldn't start his answers with "in my experience..."
Overall, the candidates lacked humor, connection with the audience, and passion springing from their care for the issues. Everybody seemed to say similar things and failed to distinguish themselves. It was entertaining but ultimately left me un-WOWed.
kudos for the mcpress and earle not turning the thing into a sham. no gratuitous attacks of Susan Rose. Armstrong was respectful. Guzzardi and Wolf helped themselves, Dan coughed up a lung, and Das was at times loveable and annoying. Overall good though..
Thank you for the honesty anon. I was a little nervous and intimidated but I did my homework and I think I got some good points in. I'll try not to be so damn intense all the time. Note to self: more loveable and less annoying. Stop at the buzzer. BTW- The tie is an endangered red wolf, outfit picked out by my fiancee Jennifer.
Hey great fun at the forum. Clear winners were Joe and Secord. Joe was a bit naive on the facts. TIed for losers where Das and Janet. She does not have it and Das left it at home.
Earle has two candidates to choose from now Joe and Secord,
anon at 2:24
Were you at the forum or are you just guessing. Janet came in with the belief that with the early endorsements she did not need to work hard. Dr. Dan did not "deliver" and Joe gave nothing of substance other than he is the best candidate since he is currently employed by the County. I guess he could not use that arguement when he ran for City Council.
Das was the clear winner and made it clear that since the majority of the 2nd District is within the City of Santa Barbara, he in the best position to represent us.
Mouthful of Marbles...
That's what Travis Armstrong sounds like ..why do they let him moderate!! Gary Earle, mod #2, was ok. The debate centered around the state's mandate for local housing projects and protection of AG. Das Williams and Joe Guzzardi made the most sense. Das wants a SOAR initiative to save open ag space from urbanization. Ventura did this with great success. Joe G. said municipalities have become grant junkies..taking money and doing unnecessary projects that add to the bulk of a community!
Janet Wolf said the same thing over and over and Dan Secord mumbled incoherently as usual. Next debate needs to be televised. Maybe Wendy will buy a TV station!!
"Mouthful of Marbles" "Secord mumbled incoherently as usual." "Maybe Wendy..."
It always seems to degenerate here, no matter how intelligent people are or how hard they work for the community. Too bad.
and Das became the biggest no-growth no housing "progressive" in the land...
Ah, yes... the Red Wolf species definitely has taller and pointier ears than the Gray Wolf.
During the CSP forum, though, Das should have worn that tie again instead of that orange and brown checkered thing.
See his WOLF tie from the Newspress photo at his own blog, for the 18th January entry.
http://www.legendarysurfers.com/das/blog/
These comments are the equivalent of the infamous and aptly named Spin Rooms following State and Presidential debates.
Telling in the News-Press article today (January 19, 2006) is that Janet Wolf was more realistiic about the impracticality of every niche getting its own Planning Commission, while the other three candidates said what they thought the crowd wanted to hear.
Sort of like how Walter Mondale during the 1984 Presidential Debate with Reagan told the world that he (Mondale) would raise taxes, and that Reagan was insincere about taxes. Mondale then lost the election hugely, and shortly after the Reagan Administration indeed raised taxes.
I went to the debate last night and left having felt I received maybe two good answers all night; from all candidates on whether to have a planning commission, and Das' answer about farmland with a reference to a SOAR policy. Otherwise, the debate was sorely lacking in terms of new policy ideas. Lots of platitudes and lip service to things being "important" or needing to be done, but no ideas about how to accomplish them.
Where was the energy last night? Das, much as I dislike his policy ideas, seemed to be the one that spoke with any enthusiasm. Wolf sounded monotone and completely unemotional. Secord had some spirit at times, but was lost in his own thoughts on occasion. Guzzardi was distant and just kept echoing the fact he works for county government. Makes me think of the great Reagan quote; "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"
So a black blazer jacket over a black
T-shirt was not the fashion statement to overcome the lack of visionary ideas and mumbling?
Sadly, the Doctor's slick duds did not.
BTW, re: Guzzardi's comments about our quality of life being "ruined." Does anyone actually think that way? If the quality of life were "ruined", wouldn't people be leaving in droves rather than flocking here. Food for thought...
I haven't been a big Das fan before, but he was eloquent. "I was born here....." Best forum in years....
eloquent?????????????????
The truth is and will be:
If this is about the best debater or speaker - Das wins.
If it is about who the insiders all want to crown - Janet wins.
If it is about an outside who wants to fight - Joe wins.
If it is about someone who will get the facts and two other votes to protect the second district - Dan wins.
So when we are looking for help and Das speaks so well and loses 4-1, Or when we need to protect our neighborhoods from social engeneering, Janet will talk about all her friends - the Lois, Iya, Salud team and lose 3-2.
And Joe will pound and throw out facts and lose 4-1.
Secord will bumble, stumber and mutter and do what is right and win 5-0
So vote for the loud, the crowned and the enpassioned and lose.
I guesssss everyone has a right to their own opinion, but the "truth" according to Anonymous 10:37pm is noting but sheer fantasy. Das the "best debater"??? Wow. What debate did YOU watch?
Dan will bumble and stumble and win 5-0 but the community and the 2nd district will be the loser.
at least Wolf didn't kiss butt to CSP on every issue. At least Das demonstrated he knows the issues. Atleast Joe showed his heart is mostly in the right place, even if he is irrational and unrealistic.
At least everyone got together and debated....
and best of all at least das janet and joe will split the vote and hand secord a victory
that would seem to be the case, sad as it is;
Das knew that going in but his ego and fawning supporters won't allow him to heed that fact. That sadly will be his legacy.
To Sara de la Guerra (in a different yet somewhat off topic post)...To answer your question agout the definition of "Hmmm": Your post on Dec. 25th insinuated that Travis was drinking spiked Egg Nog when he mentioned candidate Guzzardi in a positive light. Nearly one month after your negative post, Mr. Guzzardi's performance at the debate gave some validity to Mr. Armstong's Christmas Day assessment.
It seems more than a coincidence that your interest in the Supe's race has waned...could this be caused by the fact that Mr. Guzzardi's performance was superior to that of Mr. Williams and/or Mrs. Wolf? Could it be that the party hacks call it a "not so great debate" simply because their party candidates failed to perform?
The sudden disinterest in the race seems more an issue of sour grapes than anything else.
I actually haven't taken sides on this one and doubt I will anytime soon.
Good spin on Guzzardi! No, those thoughts didn't cross my mind -- I wasn't impressed with any of them. If he turned out to be the best thing since sliced bread -- I'd be willing to say so, I just don't see it....
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