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Sunday, January 15, 2006

Neighborhoods and N/S Relations

The main issue in todays opinion piece on neighborhoods is a good place to begin a discussion -- how important is the "Carbajal" model for a moderate to slow growther that wants to be Supervisor?

Is it more important to galvanize supporters in the early stages of a campaign strategically and then work on a conciliatory approach? Does this make voters in Noleta every consultant's target in a race where few other issues seem to have been brought up by candidates?

34 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Instead of "galvanizing ... strategically," why not just tell the truth all the way through the campaign?

The candidate who tells the truth, who shows integrity, character and class in dealing with the other candidates and with the present supervisors, and who listens hard and responds to the residents of the 2nd District, will win the day...and should.

The editorial does a nice job in framing the fact that some of the candidates aren't off to a great start ... but it's only January and there's time to stop listening to the "pros" or "consultants".

1/15/2006 9:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That sounds like the "Carbajal" model and the 1st District.

1/15/2006 9:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like another editorial idea for Dan Secord. The candidate that is strongest and willing to fight to win will win and that is Das.

1/15/2006 9:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes and Santa Barbara County 2006 is run by the conservatives. So maybe it is time for some strength, not soft sweetness. What is nauseating is how the old guard is totally out to lunch. We have Salud going with the flow - bending over for the north. And Janet will give Salud a partner to watch the north take over more and more. No wonder those in favor of the split are giving up - with Salud and Janet they get control without a fight.

1/15/2006 10:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"give salud a partner"?? would someone please reign in the misogynistic tone of Das' campaign??

1/15/2006 12:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Truth, integrity, character and class. Why can't these be reflected in the campaigns? By the candidates? They can if the personal attacks are dropped and the focus is on the issues. Same for this blog.

Those attributes are gender nuetral. They don't apply to Secord exclusively as opposed to any of the other candidates.

1/15/2006 1:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you really hate this blog for its personal attacks?

are your feelings the same about the newspress editorial page that consistantly comes after susan rose and lois capps and now janet wolf.

the only conservative the newspress rails against is george bush. gee if that isn't a safe bet i don't know what is.

please you are complaining about this blog something that fare better reflexs democracy and openness than the newspress. at least anyone can post here, but only pro-newspress agenda letters get published.

its interesting how secord supporters tout his integrity as travis attacks his opponents.

1/15/2006 1:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello...???? Who said Secord was the ONLY candidate with integrity? The above post at 1:46 p.m. indicates the opposite. Let's assume they all have integrity, which is undoubtedly true.

Why does the discussion always have to come back to a rehashed rant about the News-Press' editorial pages. How unoriginal.

Can anyone INSTEAD respond to Sara's very good opening questions, which build on this morning's opinion? Some of us are actually interested in thoughtful responses. There has been only one stab at it so far. There has to be more out there than just vitriol or candidate pumping.

1/15/2006 3:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess not... sorry, Sara.

Re the 1:59 post above, at least the News-Press corrects punctuation and spelling ("reflexs").

1/15/2006 6:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As to the 6:40 post. For education today punctuation and spelling is important for punctuation and spelling test, but for ideas and expression, today educators say let it roll.

So lets back off on this blog and let people write what they believe and feel rather than pass some grammer exam.

Or maybe we should hire a sixth grade grammre teacher to correct all our spelling and syntex.

This sort of hits the deal on the N/S relations. The N does not care about our perfect grammer, outfit and believes but who we are. I fear those of us in the south care about how cute or perfect we are.

1/15/2006 8:13 PM  
Blogger Bill Carson said...

Regarding the opening question: Salud is a bad example for this discussion. Yes, his mentor taught him to collaborate. But what else can he do? He's on the short end of a 3-2 majority. His only option is to tolerate his minority status, get what he can for his Montecito constituents, and bide his time until Pedro terms out. He's still just a politician.

1/15/2006 8:30 PM  
Blogger Bill Carson said...

To continue...Yes (anonymous 3:31PM) the candidates need to demonstrate actual ability. Guzzardi is the only one with county govt. experience and a genuine committment to stop overdevlopment. Das is parroting Joe for political gain. Dan is all ego and needs to retire. And Janet is truly inexperienced and without a clue.

1/15/2006 8:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BillCarson - I could not agree more. Sure lets get another Salud. Why not elect Iya to the 2nd district. We need more independence and strength.

I know BIll who you want and think is best - isthe totally unelectable Joe. But think for a moment and Joe's ideas are Das in actiong.

Das is the anti-Salud. Not a go along to get along. No pandering, Das has the best chrisma in local politics today and he us strong enough to stand up to Salud, her honor Naomi and the almighty Lois.

If you want a real voice it is Das.

If you want Salud in drag it is Janet.

Our choice - Salud in drag or the real thing.

1/15/2006 8:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill Carson said...

"Guzzardi is the only one with county govt. experience and a genuine committment to stop overdevlopment."


So Bill is that Joe's support for Fess Parker after a huge contribution to his campaign? What I have seen of Joe is that he is for sale - protect his street and sell everyone else out to the highest contributor.

"Das is parroting Joe for political gain."

Really? So Joe a county staffer with no voice is leading Das? Das the only one to speak out at all for those without a home and high paying job like Joe.

"Dan is all ego and needs to retire."

Secord did retire and if Joe backs off will stay there. Das is the only one who can beat him. Joe lost to Dan in his first race even though Joe had Police with big bucks behind him. Joe is a bit off and goes off. Das is solid as a rock.

"And Janet is truly inexperienced and without a clue."

Could not agree more. Janet is weak, soft and unable to win. Secord will wipe her - Das is the only one who can win.

Joe and Janet get out of the race, save us money and lets get this over in June.

But no. Who has the ego? Janet and Joe or Das. The fact is that Das can win.

1/15/2006 9:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill Carson said...

"Guzzardi is the only one with county govt. experience and a genuine committment to stop overdevlopment."


So Bill is that Joe's support for Fess Parker after a huge contribution to his campaign? What I have seen of Joe is that he is for sale - protect his street and sell everyone else out to the highest contributor.

"Das is parroting Joe for political gain."

Really? So Joe a county staffer with no voice is leading Das? Das the only one to speak out at all for those without a home and high paying job like Joe.

"Dan is all ego and needs to retire."

Secord did retire and if Joe backs off will stay there. Das is the only one who can beat him. Joe lost to Dan in his first race even though Joe had Police with big bucks behind him. Joe is a bit off and goes off. Das is solid as a rock.

"And Janet is truly inexperienced and without a clue."

Could not agree more. Janet is weak, soft and unable to win. Secord will wipe her - Das is the only one who can win.

Joe and Janet get out of the race, save us money and lets get this over in June.

But no. Who has the ego? Janet and Joe or Das. The fact is that Das can win.

1/15/2006 9:00 PM  
Anonymous das said...

Ok guys, lets not be so mean.

This is serious stuff, and we should be passionate about it. But the differences between Joe, Janet, Salud, me, etc. are not insurmountable or deserving of venom.

Sure, I see my value to the 2nd District in my ability to hold firm to certain ideals, and hold fellow electeds accountable when they pledge fealty to those ideals. Anytime anyone says "we are ____ (usually green or environmental)", I say ok, back it up with concrete policies.

Salud's style and mine are very different, but both can be valueable in the context of Board politics.

-Das

p.s. Bill, I'm not parroting Joe for political gain. Joe and I have been working together for over 2 years on neighborhood issues. He's told me more than once that I am the best Councilmember on neighborhood issues. I appreciate the complement. I'm an ardent slow-growther. I may be over-eager often, combative sometimes, but I am the real thing and I can still learn enough to iron out my flaws.

1/15/2006 9:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Das,

Nice of you to stick up for Joe but leave Janet twisting in the wind of her "inexperience". Since you entered the discussion do you agree with the friends of yours (and Joe's) on this Blog that Janet is weak, soft,another "Iya", etc???

1/16/2006 8:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea Das--where's that "feminism" Helene referred to----or is characterizing Janet with that sexist terminology part of your plan?

1/16/2006 8:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

also funny that I got a fundraising letter from Helene THE DAY AFTER the story that elevated her to sainthood. and the letterhead is virtually the same as that which appeared on Gail Marshall's fundraising letter. Could the 3rd district Buttny machine be trying to buy the 2nd district seat since they couldn't beat brooks?

1/16/2006 8:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you das for at least having the backbone to identify yourself openly on this very hostile blog.

1/16/2006 1:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The very reason Das will win is that he is willing to come on here and respond. While I am not a over the top Das supporter I must admit he is very straight forward and fearless. We could use that.

1/16/2006 8:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what has the world come to---someone will win public office because he posts messages on a blog? sad.

1/16/2006 9:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because he posts to this blog under his own name, unlike the rest of us anonymice - and is smart enough to know that any publicity, especially repetitive name-drilling-into-head publicity is better than none at all. Voters may say Joe who? in June, but they won't say Das who? And between now and then he'll fill in the substance gaps.....

As for the opening question: I think it is more important to galvanize supporters early, especially in a race such as this where there are not many substantive differences between the candidates - substantive in ideas, that is. They all are for the environment, for protecting the neighborhoods, against a county split, blah, blah, blah. The differences at this point are purely stylistic.

1/16/2006 10:56 PM  
Blogger Bill Carson said...

Not many differences!? Are we talking about the same people? Dr. Dan has been pushing high-density development onto our community for 16 years. Das for two. Janet is surely being foisted for her willingness to do the same. Joe who? Joe Guzzardi, the consistent neighborhood advocate, has been fighting overdevelopment as long as Dan has been pushing it. Very, very different.

1/16/2006 11:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

biill carson. Please name one high density development Secord pushed on to the Santa Barbara community.

Please Bill, share the facts. Entrada? From 93 hotel rooms to 56 hotel time shares. That is not more, but less density, allbeit larger rooms.

1/16/2006 11:46 PM  
Blogger Bill Carson said...

Dr. Dan, as the saying goes, has never met a development he didn't like (except maybe his bluff top neighbor's). To Anonymous 11:46pm...a more appropriate question would be...In the last 16 years, can anyone identify a project that he denied???

1/17/2006 11:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Facts bill carson. Facts. No prove a negative. You have no real facts of huge density and you post is heresay. Sorry - give us facts, please.

1/17/2006 1:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard about this blog and it took me a while to find it, but now that I have read it for a few days to get a feel, it is time for me to comment, if that is okay?

Oh this carson guy here is quite the character, isn't he?

Dan Secord has been my neighbor for nearly 20 years. And you could have no better. Secord did not oppose our neighbor, at all, ever.

His neighbor opposed him. Secord built a wonderful home, yet very very modest in size on a huge lot. Very respectful to others, the bluff and the environment.

He sets an excellent example.

1/17/2006 8:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill Carson is character from a Sergio Leone movie. Buried with a treasure after a Civil War his grave is sought by the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Looks like the infantile and confused dug him up.

1/17/2006 8:39 PM  
Blogger Bill Carson said...

To clarify...Secord's bluff-top neighbor got a valid permit to build a simple wood fence to keep Dan-O from looking directly into his bedroom window. When Dan-O realized that this fence blocked some of his previously unobstructed (private) ocean view, he got the city to recind the permit and force the neighbor to remove the fence.

1/17/2006 10:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bill, you must deal with facts, not misstatements or heresay.

secord's neighbor tore up our bluff - a delecate cliff face to put in stairs to the beach without any permits whatsoever.

the neighbor was forced by the city and the coastal commission to take it down and repair the bluff face.

after the secords sold that home, the new owner and the neighbor had a long fight about fences, secord did not have a fight.

our neighborhood respect the secords and appreciate that they built a very environmentally sensitive home, modest in comparison to others and especially in relationship to the size of the lot and the proposal by neighbors

bill, since you are so kind to use your name and to host the santa barbara review blog, you must deal with facts and to tell the truth or back off.

bill carson, please show some respect and tell the truth.

1/17/2006 10:47 PM  
Blogger Bill Carson said...

The public documents at the City Council "fence hearing" included a photo of Dan-O standing in his living room window taking a picture of the neighbor, standing at her bedroom window. The TRUTH is that the fence offered the neighbor a basic level of privacy...until Dan-O forced them to remove it.

1/17/2006 11:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bill check your facts.

1/17/2006 11:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The debate will be a joke , considering who is moderating. Here's a question for the supe contestants: Why is Wendy buying up all the media outlets in SB county? Is she a control freak? Is a media monopoly healthy for SB County? DO you think Travis will ask those questions? Nope
Freeman

1/18/2006 6:48 AM  

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